Rush Limbaugh passes away

[PawDawg]

Who said that?

If you disagree with a politician's demeanor, morality, and policies - I'm not seeing why you'd be expected to vote for them? Am I misreading this? "Just because you opposed these 3 fairly important things, you voted against him?"

That's hardly a compelling case for someone to have voted for him, right?

Or is the rest of the argument, "but they're worse?" Is that the point here? You didn't like key features of Trump, but the alternative was worse? To be honest, I think that's "how you get a Trump presidency." At least at first.

Not you. I was replying to inudesu

[johnnylightnin]

Not you. I was replying to inudesu

Indesu never said that you should vote for Biden, just that character and morality were sufficient reasons to avoid voting for Trump.

Conservatives that voted for Biden didn't do it because they thought he would be conservative, but because conservatism needs to be liberated from big spending, low-intellect, statism. It's a potential short term loss in an effort to get a long term gain.

[techman05]

So, if I understand, you are hoping that Biden will be kept from doing anything for 4 years to make it worse in hopes that a true conservative is elected that restores whose policies? Reagan? Bush? (Gag) Someone else? But you wanted to get away from Trump because, in your opinion, he is worse for American than Kamala and Obama, who are really driving Biden’s dingy.

Not being snarky, just trying to wrap my mind around how Biden is the lesser of 2 evils or the less crappy of the 2 bowls of crap.

[glm47]

Indesu never said that you should vote for Biden, just that character and morality were sufficient reasons to avoid voting for Trump.

Conservatives that voted for Biden didn't do it because they thought he would be conservative, but because conservatism needs to be liberated from big spending, low-intellect, statism. It's a potential short term loss in an effort to get a long term gain.

How is a vote for Biden liberating conservatives from statism? Or for that matter, a vote for a Rhino like Romney or McCain? It’s making it worse.

[johnnylightnin]

So, if I understand, you are hoping that Biden will be kept from doing anything for 4 years to make it worse in hopes that a true conservative is elected that restores whose policies? Reagan? Bush? (Gag) Someone else? But you wanted to get away from Trump because, in your opinion, he is worse for American than Kamala and Obama, who are really driving Biden’s dingy.

I think Biden would be effectively neutered had Trump not meddled in GA. But the bigger picture is that there has to be a principled, ideological opposition to the left or conservatism is already dead. Owning the libs only gets you so far (one term).

[johnnylightnin]

How is a vote for Biden liberating conservatives from statism? Or for that matter, a vote for a Rhino like Romney or McCain? It’s making it worse.

Gotta be rid of Trumpism. Not the man, the ideas. Those are losing ideas...

[PawDawg]

Indesu never said that you should vote for Biden, just that character and morality were sufficient reasons to avoid voting for Trump.

Conservatives that voted for Biden didn't do it because they thought he would be conservative, but because conservatism needs to be liberated from big spending, low-intellect, statism. It's a potential short term loss in an effort to get a long term gain.

...and I laid out in my post the things that offset your claims above. "low-intellect" really? What are you core beliefs that entitle you to call yourself a conservative?

There will always be big spending from now on. The Regan and the Bushes and most of the GOP enjoy big spending. You never talk up Rand Paul for some reason.

Statism is exactly what conservatives are fighting against during this China Virus crap. You fussed because Trump didn't do enough "statism".

[johnnylightnin]

There will always be big spending from now on.

There it is.

Rand is no where near the man or the ideologue that his dad was. He can't lead.

[inudesu]

If you are voting against somebody (Trump) because of demeanor, morality, or policies it stands to reason that the person you voted for would have different demeanor (Biden certainly does. He can't string a sentence together), higher moral standards, (long list of documented moral stances that go against Christianity from Biden), and conservative policies. The list is long of Trump's policies that favor conservatism while there is absolutely zero on the list of Biden conservatism or even governing from the middle.

You don't get to call BS on conservatism from Trump because you hate him and are mad at him because he knocked RINOS out of the race in 2016.

Well, you could vote for someone else. That someone won't become president, but that is an option.

A lot of people looked at Trump and Biden and decided Biden was the lesser of two evils. Just like a lot of people did in 2016 (for Trump). For that matter, plenty of Trump voters chose him in both 2016 and 2020 (or one or the other) because they felt that way. I get it.

Whether you could vote for Biden as the lesser evil and still call yourself "conservative?" I think so. But that really hinges on what your most "conservative" values are. In theory, you'd only need to convince yourself he's the tiniest bit "less worse" for the country than Trump. Seems like you could do that on several fronts.

I almost responded to GLM by quoting his comment and asking "what's left?" But then I thought I might know the answer (the answer could be that argument - he's "less bad" than Biden).

But it just struck me funny to read "you don't like his demeanor, morality, or policies" as if that's an argument for why you should have voted for him.

What I guess you're saying is "less bad" and maybe a little "you don't like his policies, but you should reconsider that stance to some degree."

[PawDawg]

There it is.

Rand is no where near the man or the ideologue that his dad was. He can't lead.

Oh, so Rand is not a leader like who?

Trump...check. with faults

Biden... nothing to offer at all

Rand is not a leader because too few are brave enough to follow him. That sais a lot about so call conservative humanity.

[glm47]

Gotta be rid of Trumpism. Not the man, the ideas. Those are losing ideas...

As compared to what?

[johnnylightnin]

Oh, so Rand is not a leader like who?

Like anybody who'll ever be elected President.

[johnnylightnin]

As compared to what?

Compared to conservatism. You should check it out.

[glm47]

Compared to conservatism. You should check it out.

So where is the conservatism in DC today?

[johnnylightnin]

So where is the conservatism in DC today?

Ben Sasse is the best example, but there are others. You guys have tried to redefine conservatism as Trump support. That's a sinking ship.