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    Has Guice, Holtz and the former AD guided Tech to irrelevance?

    CUSA is imploding. Holtz, Guice and Tommy Boy probably sealed our fate with their refusal to pursue football excellence. They were a happy with underwhelming results while others were striving to improve their situation.

    Guice and Holtz have to go.

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    Re: Has Guice, Holtz and the former AD guided Tech to irrelevance?

    Wonder where Tech would be today if Reneau had not fired Paul Miller and hired Jerry Stovall.

    The single biggest FU in the history of Tech athletics.

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    Re: Has Guice, Holtz and the former AD guided Tech to irrelevance?

    Quote Originally Posted by glm47 View Post
    Wonder where Tech would be today if Reneau had not fired Paul Miller and hired Jerry Stovall.

    The single biggest FU in the history of Tech athletics.
    That is a very good question. If I had to guess, Tech would already be in the AAC, have an indoor practice facility and have multiple conference championships in all sports.

    I was a freshman that fateful day, and I will never forget the question my dad (who was working at the same bank as Stovall at the time) asked me that afternoon. He asked, “Why in the hell is Tech hiring that guy. You have messed up.”

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    Re: Has Guice, Holtz and the former AD guided Tech to irrelevance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brad View Post
    That is a very good question. If I had to guess, Tech would already be in the AAC, have an indoor practice facility and have multiple conference championships in all sports.

    I was a freshman that fateful day, and I will never forget the question my dad (who was working at the same bank as Stovall at the time) asked me that afternoon. He asked, “Why in the hell is Tech hiring that guy. You have messed up.”
    Tech would have been a charter member of the Metro Conference, which eventually became CUSA. I think you’re exactly right that Tech would already be in the AAC.

    When it comes to leadership and vision, Tech hasn’t had any since FJ Taylor.

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    Re: Has Guice, Holtz and the former AD guided Tech to irrelevance?

    Quote Originally Posted by glm47 View Post
    Tech would have been a charter member of the Metro Conference, which eventually became CUSA. I think you’re exactly right that Tech would already be in the AAC.

    When it comes to leadership and vision, Tech hasn’t had any since FJ Taylor.
    Unless we do have vision, but the vision is headed the other way.

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    Re: Has Guice, Holtz and the former AD guided Tech to irrelevance?

    Quote Originally Posted by glm47 View Post
    Wonder where Tech would be today if Reneau had not fired Paul Miller and hired Jerry Stovall.

    The single biggest FU in the history of Tech athletics.
    Of course Reneau is also responsible for the destruction of Lady Techsters basketball, so it seems he double-dipped his wand of wrongdoing that lingers still. Thanks a lot jerk!

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    Re: Has Guice, Holtz and the former AD guided Tech to irrelevance?

    Lol like relevance matters. They picked Rice, UNT, and Charlotte. This whole thing was a market game, and Ruston isn't gonna add to a TV deal. If football pedigree had a role in this, either us or Marshall would've had an invite.

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    Re: Has Guice, Holtz and the former AD guided Tech to irrelevance?

    Quote Originally Posted by glm47 View Post
    Tech would have been a charter member of the Metro Conference, which eventually became CUSA.
    Let's not go quite that far. The Metro Conference was formed in 1975, just as Tech was joining Division I. But it is possible that Tech could have been lined up to join C-USA as a charter member.

    Very likely that the Big West fiasco would not have included Tech, but even if it had Tech's results would have likely been much better and that could have set up the C-USA possibility.

    And with Miller as AD, Jerry Loyd would likely not have been allowed to hang around as long as he did if he was ever promoted in the first place. Same with Jim Wooldridge.

    Similar likely outcome in baseball after Gravy retired as the Mike Kane/Randy Davis era would have been far shorter if it ever happened at all.

    And that doesn't even include fundraising. What would LTAC or whatever it would have been now be with Miller running the show through much of the 1990s.

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    Re: Has Guice, Holtz and the former AD guided Tech to irrelevance?

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    Lol like relevance matters. They picked Rice, UNT, and Charlotte. This whole thing was a market game, and Ruston isn't gonna add to a TV deal. If football pedigree had a role in this, either us or Marshall would've had an invite.
    Excuses, excuses, excuses ...

    Our leadership has failed Tech.

    How bad is it? Well, there is a strong likelihood that even the Sun Belt will shun Tech if it only takes two schools. CUSA will only have six teams left with the likes of UConn, UMass and NMSU being the replacement options. ... Yeah, that is real funny.

    While there is a chance Tech would still be left without a seat at the table, our position would be a hell of a lot better if the head coach would have strived to win a conference championship game or two or opted to score a few more touchdowns instead of “playing it safe” and kicking field goals or taking the foot off the gas pedal in games. Also, how many times under his tenure have we lost critical late season games because of disastrous academic or disciplinary suspensions? Holtz has not taken care business on or off the field.

    Or maybe, we would be in a better position if the former AD would have worked on increasing the fan base and footprint instead of actively working to get out of town as soon as he could? The irony is that if the Boy Wonder had focused on improving Tech, he would have received that desired call much sooner.

    As for our esteemed leader, it would have been nice if he had been more of a Tech visionary instead of a political hack. Guice became complacent and failed to address the slow creeping malaise that was taking hold of the football program. He also needs to be called out for his role in the lunacy in the conference office by sticking with the inept commissioner. At the end of the day, if Tech is left out, the blame falls squarely on his shoulders.

    You can “lol” all you want, but there is a real danger that the light we see isn’t from the alternate reality that you sunshine pumpers live in. That light is the oncoming conference realignment train about to hit the Tech car stuck in neutral on the tracks.

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    Re: Has Guice, Holtz and the former AD guided Tech to irrelevance?

    I think we have been checkmated. And there is no seat at the table. AAC does not want us. SBC won’t have us. MWC does not want our travel. I think CUSA is toast.



    Quote Originally Posted by Brad View Post

    You can “lol” all you want, but there is real danger that light we see isn’t from the alternate reality that you sunshine pumpers live in. That light is the oncoming conference realignment train about to hit the Tech car stuck in neutral on the tracks.

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    Re: Has Guice, Holtz and the former AD guided Tech to irrelevance?

    So if CUSA gets down to 6 teams, can Holtz finally win it or nah?

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    Re: Has Guice, Holtz and the former AD guided Tech to irrelevance?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckK3 View Post
    You're correct that NOBODY in the current or future AAC looks like "ECU" anymore. They're fortunate to have been invited when they were.

    As to the second statement, you know, burning bridges kinda comes with that territory. 2 Decades ago, La Tech tried to do something that nobody else in the crowded state of Louisiana wanted to do...be the break out school. When you make the decision to be the one to try to break out of the pack, you're going to tick a bunch of people off...that's as old as humanity itself.
    It’s ironic that the first thing the Lafayette trolls want to do is come to the Tech boards or reply to Tech people on Twitter. Something happens in college sports…let’s all go see what Tech people are saying. This just shows you the inferiority these people have.

    They are always looking up.

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    Re: Has Guice, Holtz and the former AD guided Tech to irrelevance?

    We had ulm on the football schedule last year and THEY opted out! Wasn't us, they cancelled. Oh, they used the virus excuse, but we all know the real reason. And hell, we sucked last year (and suck pretty bad this year too). That was their big chance!

    As for the stupid 2008 Indy Bowl crapola...LOL! Missy Setters et al at the Indy Bowl hate Tech. You actually think we wield any influence with them screwballs!? You are more delusional than the average Lafayette fan if you do...and that is saying something.

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    Re: Has Guice, Holtz and the former AD guided Tech to irrelevance?

    Quote Originally Posted by GEAUX UL View Post
    lol, no. You didn't just try to be a "breakout school." You tried to screw over everyone along the way. You guys literally tried to sabotage the Sun Belt on your way out. You actively worked to keep UL out of the Independence Bowl in 2008. You literally refused to play in the Independence Bowl and sat at home instead of playing ULM. You still refuse to schedule us or ULM in football. 2 years ago AD went on a ridiculous rant about how crappy the SBC was compared to C-USA. I could go on, but you get the point.
    We played you 5 years ago. We scheduled ULM last year to placehold before they cancelled on us. Those reasons sound petty from your end.

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