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    Environmentalist Wackos

    Borrowing a term from the late, great Rush Limbaugh...

    Charlie Morton was crew boss for a US Forest Service Hotshot Crew in southern California. He was killed in a fire when he went to inspect a fire line he and his crew had established. He radioed that the line was holding and he was on his way back to the road when a gust of wind (60 mph) changed everything. His battalion commander radioed him for an update, Morton replied the fire had crossed the line..."hold on..." Then a moment later a garbled radio message was received, Morton's last words, "...trapped in a corner." The fire flared up as the flames reached the tall brush that littered the hillside, near a swanky subdivision. The next day Morton's badly charred body was found.

    The folks of the subdivision had filed a lawsuit to keep the USFS and California State Forestry Office from using controlled burns to keep the brush from getting out of control. The USFS did an investigation and published a report. It concluded Morton's tragic death points to some key points, 1) lack of experienced wildfire firefighters, and 2) asking fire crews to save communities that have become increasingly unsavable. On the latter point, it is a direct reference to the wacko policies preventing proper forest management. Not just the abolition of control burning, but also dead timber removal on public land.

    I served on a Hotshot crew in Oregon. Was on many smaller fires and one large project fire near Klamath Falls, Oregon. Then while working for IP here, we fought many fires both on company land and in cooperation with the USFS and Louisiana Office of Forestry on other properties. Large fires have a life of their own. They create their own weather, the most dangerous aspects are the gusts of wind created when the fire burns up all the oxygen and the air rushes in to fill the void. That's what resulted in Morton's case. Fire tornados are common, and it will rain over a large fire even on a cloudless day. Smoke is 95% water vapor. Over a big fire smoke climbs to an altitude where condensation takes place and the droplets fall as rain. When on a hot, smoky fire line those rains are very refreshing and welcomed.

    Anyway, the stupid wackos will just have to get over proper forest management being conducted, or the state can declare areas as unsavable and not send in fire crews. Tell those morons to fight the fire themselves.

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    Re: Environmentalist Wackos

    Sums it up:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzMmYlB--Q0


    A while back when we were discussing the cause of California's out-of-control wildfires and I mentioned local and state laws on National Forest lands a certain person, who used to post regularly but is now in "biding" (hiding), argued it was not the wacky lefty policies unique to lefty regions, like the "left coast" (that's appropriate), and argued it was the power company's fault or some such nonsense. His argument was it's all federal lands therefore there must be ONE policy overseeing all such forest lands. I said then, I'll repeat it now, nope! not true. The Kisatchie National Forest in Louisiana, and national forests in other southern states, do practice sound forest management techniques including control burns which greatly reduce fire danger. In the Kisatchie there is the Red Dirt Wildlife Management Area, in the Kisatchie hills in Natchitoches Parish, and the ONLY out-of-control wildfires that occur happen there. Because in the Red Dirt area they use "lefty" hands-off policies which allows the dangerous accumulation of the fuel of wildfires, debris of dead pine needles, leaves, limbs, etc...

    As always, follow the TRUE science. Silvics is the science of forest ecology and silviculture is the practice of that science.

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    Re: Environmentalist Wackos

    Speaking of environmental wackos, John Kerry is at the head of class.

    Dude is a huge hypocrite, telling everyone what they need to give up, while he flies private jets all over the world.

    He is extremely dangerous to the US, a traitor in my opinion. His latest BS is to hinder farmers from farming.

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