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    Who's Smarter?
    by Cindy Osborne (I am not sure who this is)


    >
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    > The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming
    > about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming
    > the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and
    > everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names
    > like "stupid" ,"morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to
    > tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to
    > be an American. So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the
    > country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant" ,
    > "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:
    >
    > President George W. Bush
    > Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard
    > Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National
    > Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975
    > and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on
    > November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election
    > victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive
    > four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In
    > 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the
    > African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He
    > won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that
    > Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate
    > to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso,
    > Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his
    > I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might
    > want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)
    >
    > Vice President Dick Cheney
    > Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two
    > years later, he won an American Political Science Association
    > congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is
    > to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders,
    > President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and
    > win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate,
    > Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators
    > and members of the House of Representatives to work on the
    > Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he
    > has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on
    > the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job
    > they are doing for the United States of America.
    >
    > Secretary of State Colin Powell
    > Educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City
    > College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in
    > geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as
    > an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further
    > academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree
    > from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of
    > numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary
    > Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the
    > President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of
    > State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy
    > Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have
    > been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities
    > and colleges across the country.
    >
    > Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
    > Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the
    > U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator ; Congressional Assistant to Rep.
    > Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69;
    > Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic
    > Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S.
    > Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974;
    > Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations,
    > White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77.
    >
    > Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge
    > Earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his
    > first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S.
    > Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning
    > the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his
    > Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District
    > Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the
    > first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was
    > overwhelmingly re-elected six times.
    >
    > National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice
    > Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta
    > Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the
    > University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School
    > of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice
    > enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19
    > with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a
    > Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the
    > University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of
    > her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.)
    >
    > She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been
    > awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University
    > of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford,
    > she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms
    > Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a
    > Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany
    > Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev
    > Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet
    > Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous
    > articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has
    > addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's
    > Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000
    > Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period
    > of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served
    > in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of
    > Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a
    > Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986,
    > while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations,
    > she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of
    > Staff.
    >
    > In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender-
    > Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of
    > directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the
    > William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the
    > International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco
    > Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center
    > for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo
    > Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys
    > and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has
    > encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett
    > Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International
    > Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East
    > European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public
    > broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham,
    > Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude
    > and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's
    > from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate
    > School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She
    > is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been
    > awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University
    > of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. She resides
    > in Washington, D.C.

    Barbra Streisand : Completed high school
    > Career: Singing and acting
    >
    > Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade
    > Career: Singing and acting
    >
    > Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton
    > Career: Acting
    >
    > Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year
    > Career: Acting
    >
    > Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal
    > Career: Acting
    >
    > Julia Roberts: Completed high school
    > Career: Acting
    >
    > Sean Penn: Completed High school
    > Career: Acting
    >
    > Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in
    > Washington, D.C.
    > Career: Acting
    >
    > Ed Asner: Completed High school
    > Career: Acting
    >
    > George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky
    > Career: Acting
    >
    > Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan
    > Career: Movie Director
    >
    > Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School
    > Career: Acting
    >
    > Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School
    > Career: Acting
    >
    > Mike Farrell: Completed High school
    > Career: Acting
    >
    > Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College
    > Career: Stand up Comedienne
    >
    > Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year
    > Career: Acting
    >
    > While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we
    > should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed
    > daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They
    > are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle
    > East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and
    > terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with
    > the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military,
    > and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we
    > have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot
    > believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.
    >
    > These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding
    > groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country.
    > They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature,
    > and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative
    > views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America.
    > The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a
    > pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the
    > Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan
    > Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our
    > Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost,
    > not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been
    > attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by
    > freedom-hating terrorists while going about their routine lives, they want
    > to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest,
    > God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.
    >
    > Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the
    > Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE,
    > FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze
    > the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote
    > world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the
    > evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to
    > obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to
    > disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these
    > weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly
    > weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.
    >
    > So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that
    > since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also
    > determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions
    > concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation
    > when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough
    > friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking
    > for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we
    > are just days away from war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma
    > gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is
    > controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American
    > people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the
    > average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give
    > him clout? The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made
    > a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous
    > marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums,
    > etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What
    > is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and
    > accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or
    > have fond memories of an old television sitcom!
    >
    > It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves
    > about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the
    > freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know
    > peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of
    > terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation
    > remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are
    > made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.
    >
    > Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and
    > join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not
    > real.
    >
    > We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of
    > Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the
    > strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated
    > the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships
    > from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He
    > stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not
    > turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with
    > the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.

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    BTW AUB, I would take this educated group over any CLINTON placed or elected one during his "elitist adm." any day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
    BTW AUB, I would take this educated group over any CLINTON placed or elected one during his "elitist adm." any day!
    If someone could guarantee that the terrorists would only kill liberals in their attacks, I would be more opposed to the war too. Alas, too many GOOD people die in those indiscriminate attacks as well.

    What has always puzzled me is why anyone listens to those Hollywood leftists?

    Many years ago, Barbara Streisand made an urgent plea in front of a congressional panel for "the government" to end homelessness, by, of course, throwing more money at the problem. On the same page that had her ugly, big-nose picture and that article, was another article that mentioned she has just signed a $60 million recording contract with Sony! Hmmmm, hey Barbara, instead of "the government" taxing working families, why didn't you donate $59 million to the homeless problem yourself? You would still be a millionaire!

    The term "hypocrite" comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg80
    [quote:2c6825e0e9="TYLERTECHSAS"]BTW AUB, I would take this educated group over any CLINTON placed or elected one during his "elitist adm." any day!
    If someone could guarantee that the terrorists would only kill liberals in their attacks, I would be more opposed to the war too. Alas, too many GOOD people die in those indiscriminate attacks as well.

    What has always puzzled me is why anyone listens to those Hollywood leftists?

    Many years ago, Barbara Streisand made an urgent plea in front of a congressional panel for "the government" to end homelessness, by, of course, throwing more money at the problem. On the same page that had her ugly, big-nose picture and that article, was another article that mentioned she has just signed a $60 million recording contract with Sony! Hmmmm, hey Barbara, instead of "the government" taxing working families, why didn't you donate $59 million to the homeless problem yourself? You would still be a millionaire!

    The term "hypocrite" comes to mind.[/quote:2c6825e0e9]

    EXACTLY!

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    By the time this war is over, there won't be many TV shows or movies I'll care about watching. It's past time for a boycott of these clowns.

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    I am amazed how much energy you guys invest in expressing hatred for people who disagree with you.
    No matter how justified a war is it is still a war. Do you really expect everyone to WANT war??
    If Dubya had managed to get enough done in the regime change and disarmament process to have delayed war would you not be happier?
    This isn't just about being liberal or politically correct. It is about people dying who haven't done anything to deserve an untimely death.
    It is about massive amounts of fuel and other resources being wasted. It is about billions of American tax dollars going to destroy an area that WILL be rebuilt with more billions of American tax dollars.
    All the whining about welfare cheats and the need to protect certain interest groups through tort reform seem insignificant when we talk about destroying things and rebuilding them at our expense.
    This isn't about being a good American or a good actor or a good scientist or a good writer or reader or politician.
    It boils down to death and destruction.
    People were surprised when WWII followed WWI and then Korea and Vietnam and the first Gulf War and now this one. It is now sinking in that there will be more wars. However, until the 1990s, relatively few people were convinced that the US had any choice about entering the wars we did.
    The Berlin wall fell. We still have wars. There were Olympic games in a Balkan state and before long there was a still-unexplained or unjustified war there. And we sent people to die there.
    Why are so many people angry and defensive because not every woman wants to see her kids sent off to war?
    Why are so many people still making Clinton jokes while acting as though people today have no right to criticize the current administration?
    If you go back to the old BB&B board you will find threads supposedly on sports which deteriorated into Clinton bashing. That provoked me to suggest staying on topic and to defend Clinton occasionally. We got a political section as a result.
    I think I might have suggested that attacking a president because you don't agree with him should mean sticking to the issues. All the millions of bucks spent trying to find some criminal action in his past finally turned up a sexual tryst while in office that caused an uproar orchestrated by guys who were doing similar things and applauded by guys who are lucky to have one woman interested much less millions of women interested, which was Clinton's curse.
    As soon as Dubya took office, I accepted him in his role and have made little or no comment on his administration.
    And, when he is out of office, I won't spend any effort rehashing his administration, if I live long enough to see another president. I am getting a little old.
    And I particularly don't enjoy seeing the Prince of Peace being invoked by people advocating war.
    Nations have always had to go to war. This is, however, a brave new world where Americans overtly advocate war rather than reluctantly face it.
    We will do more for those we conquer than for those in our own country who are in need. So those not killed or seriously wounded may come out ahead. However, it may not be exactly what they would have chosen.
    Imagine your city being bombed. People in New York got a horrible taste of it 18 months ago. It didn't make us love our enemies. And people in the Middle East aren't going to suddenly be grateful. Maybe most Americans don't care what the rest of the world thinks of us.
    Some Americans identify with oppressed people and want to help them without killing them. The people who attacked us on Sept. 11 didn't care whether they lived and didn't value American lives. Their delusion is that a higher power will provide them a glorious afterlife as a reward for killing people who don't practice their religion.
    I suppose that we need to provide a desert site where people of various religions can get together and kill one another and speed their trip to the afterlife and find out which side the creator favors.
    I suspect a lot of sane people in the Middle East don't want their part of the desert used for that experiment.
    I certainly don't want suicidal maniacs in my neighborhood. Do you?

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    So much to respond to :roll: and so little time :cry: ! I just thought I would have a little fun with your "vote for the better educated" comment. Of course it was at Hollywood's expense but who cares about them anyway? I guess that means you will not like my other posts in this Paw-Litics thread today. Bummer!

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    Tyler, I enjoyed the Clinton-Bush jokes.

    Another comment on the Hollywood thing. Those actors and actresses who apparently didn't attend or finish college might be smarter than some of us who have degrees but can't make a living wage.
    Seriously, there is a trait of good actors that must be taken into account.
    To act out the role of a character, a person has to try to BE that character. That means developing empathy for other people. The ability and the experience and training that good actors have means that many of them are likely to sympathize and empathize and just generally feel closer to people who are different from them than most of us do.
    I try to maintain a balance. When I talk to people with extreme views I usually take an opposite approach. I try to understand "where they are coming from." If they pull a weapon I start planning how to disarm them!
    I don't relate well to people who are afraid to own firearms. And I don't relate well to people who own more firearms than they need and seem to spend an inordinate time obsessing over them.
    I relate to people who pull over and take action when they see an apparent crime in progress or spot an accident scene better than I do to people who use their cell phone to dial 911 and keep driving. But if I ever need help on the road, I would hope one of each would show up quickly.

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    And I particularly don't enjoy seeing the Prince of Peace being invoked by people advocating war. - Aubunique

    Strictly going off memory here, but I recall you being the one who did that invoking and the "war advocators" being the ones to provide you with scripture to back up some of their feelings.

    Those actors and actresses who apparently didn't attend or finish college might be smarter than some of us who have degrees but can't make a living wage. - Aubunique

    I know you say this tongue in cheek, but I think you will agree that a sheepskin can only make things a little easier and sometimes get you places that you otherwise could never get.

    These folks (actors and such) for the most part have the American public fooled into thinking that they are of a higher intellect when in fact they are ignorant because they never get out of their little circles. The Dixie Chicks are a prime example. (BTW, considering their new P.C. stance, shouldn't they consider a name change?) I've not studied up on them, but I'm guessing she made her remark because she was thinking more of the praise she would receive from her peers than the flack she would catch over it. Obviously a very bad business move. I can guarantee the D.C.'s agent was going nuts!

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    Monty, I don't automatically assume a person is saying a particular thing to get praise from his peers. I think a great many women strongly feel the threat of war as they do crime. Just because my hormonal orientation makes me inclined toward macho behavior doesn't mean I expect women to see things that way. Young men and old men to some extent take pleasure in slamming one another around. That makes football and boxing and ice hockey and other activities popular. Women can get into these things but it isn't as natural for them. If you look at many animals, the females can be pretty violent but mostly when hunting food and guarding their young. Males do it in the wild to get the privilege of breeding with those females, not a necessity of survival but as a part of the natural selection process.
    My young Jake, the year-old or maybe approaching 2-year-old turkey gobbler, appeared to reach Tom status yesterday. He spread his tail and wings and held his head high and marched around all afternoon while the domestic white hen (who fell through the cracks and escaped a truck on the way to the Springdale Butterball plant four or five years ago) happily foraged the back yard and seemed to keep an eye on his antics. If there were another gobbler around, he would likely attack him. The hen may get violent if something comes after her eggs or young should some hatch but I doubt she really wants to see the males fight. She just wants a good mate. A dead mate won't be there when the hawks swoop in to try to steal the young ones.
    About the Dixie Chicks, a group I haven't actually noticed on TV or whatever: If they express an opinion it gets a lot of notice but it won't change many people's minds. However, it remains important that people get to say what they think.

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    AUB, back to your "voting for the more educated" comment I would add the following from the New Test. 1 Corinthians 1:18-20 ( you seem to prefer New Test. verses.

    18. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is power of God.

    19. For it is written: I will DESTROY the WISDOM of the WISE; the INTELLIGENCE of the INTELLIGENT I will FRUSTRATE.

    20. Where is the WISE man? Where is the SCHOLAR? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not GOD made the FOOLISH the WISDOM of the world?

    Just a thought. Again it is a heart thing not from the head --going back to past discussions. I hope my "jokes" do not detract from the message of the above. I am starting to feel bad about posting those even though I thought we could all use a little release these days.

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    Tyler,
    The news reports haven't been pretty today with coalition people dying and instant surrender not happening as hoped for.
    I plan to enjoy the Techster game tonight, if possible, and would drive there if I could possibly manage it.
    I just spent an hour on the telephone with a woman in my neighborhood association concerned about another project planned for the north side of my house in the same wetland, flood-plain area. It is in her back yard!
    We have to do what we are supposed to be doing and hope our military and political leaders do the best they can under these circumstances.

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    Aub: It didn't make us love our enemies. And people in the Middle East aren't going to suddenly be grateful.

    EXCEPT, Aub, innocent civilians were the targets of the terror attacks. In our assault on Iraq, we are taking every possible measure to minimize civilian death or hardship.

    I am surprised that nobody else has noticed your failure to make that critical distinction in these discussions.

    Another difference between the two attacks is that many Iraqis, perhaps that majority, WANT Saddam removed from power.

    The 9-11 attacks and our assault on Iraq are incomensurable. The moral equivalancy you draw between them is incorrect.

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    Is this the Monty-influence showing itself? First DD makes a good, sensible post, now Champ chimes in with this one. Hmmmm, someone is having a positive influence on these boys.

    Speaking of targeting civilians, though. Those dastardly Iraqis (Saddam's blow buddies, that is) are hiding in apartments crowded with women and children, firing on our guys, and daring us to shoot back. This could get very nasty before it's over.

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    Sorry Dawg80. Those two are way too hard headed to ever be influenced by a right of Rush conservative like me.

    BTW, have you considered how highly regarded the Geneva Convention is to the U.N. muckety mucks? I'm guessing all the war crimes will be looked over when we get to that point and the weapons we find (the ones UN inspectors couldn't find) will only be there because we planted them.

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