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    Thursday, February 12, 2004
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    U.S. Senator Zell Miller (D-GA) today delivered the following statement on the floor of the United States Senate addressing several social issues facing the country:

    " The Old Testament prophet Amos was a sheep-herder who lived back in the Judean hills, away from the larger cities of Bethlehem and Jerusalem. Compared to the intellectual urbanites like Isaiah and Jeremiah, he was just an unsophisticated country hick.
    But Amos had a unique grasp of political and social issues, and his poetic literary skill was among the best of all the prophets. That familiar quote of Martin Luther King, Jr. about "Justice will rush down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream," are Amos' words.

    Amos was the first to propose the concept of a universal God and not just some tribal deity. He also wrote that God demanded moral purity, not rituals and sacrifices. This blunt speaking moral conscience of his time warns in Chapter 8, verse 11 of The Book of Amos, as if he were speaking to us today:

    "The days will come, sayeth the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land. Not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the word of the Lord. And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east. They shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it."

    "A famine in the land." Has anyone more accurately described the situation we face in America today? A famine of hearing the words of the Lord."

    "But some will say, Amos was just an Old Testament prophet - a minor one at that - who lived 700 years before Christ. That is true, so how about one of the most influential historians of modern times? "

    "Arnold Toynbee who wrote the acclaimed 12 volume "A Study of History," once declared, "Of the 22 civilizations that have appeared in history, 19 of them collapsed when they reached the moral state America is in today!"

    " Toynbee died in 1975, before seeing the worst that was yet to come. Yes, Arnold Toynbee saw the famine. The famine of hearing the words of the Lord! Whether it is removing a display of the Ten Commandments from a courthouse or the Nativity Scene from a city square. Whether it is eliminating prayer in schools or eliminating "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Whether it is making a mockery of the sacred institution of marriage between a man and woman or, yes, telecasting around the world made-in-the-USA filth masquerading as entertainment.

    The Culture of Far Left America was displayed in a startling way during the Super Bowl's now infamous half-time show. A show brought to us courtesy of Value-Les Moonves and the pagan temple of Viacom-Babylon.

    I asked the question yesterday, how many of you have ever run over a skunk with your car? I have many times and I can tell you, the stink stays around for a long time. You can take the car through a car wash and it's still there. So the scent of this event will long linger in the nostrils of America.

    I' m not talking just about an exposed mammary gland with a pull-tab attached to it. Really, no one should have been too surprised at that. Wouldn' t one expect a bumping, humping, trashy routine entitled , "I'm going to get you naked," to end that way?

    Does any responsible adult ever listen to the words of this rap-crap? I' d quote you some of it, but the Sergeant of Arms would throw me out of here, as well he should. And then there was that prancing, dancing, strutting, rutting guy evidently suffering from jock itch because he kept yelling and grabbing his crotch. But then, maybe there's a crotch-grabbing culture I' ve been unaware of.

    But as bad as all this was, the thing that yanked my chain the hardest was seeing that ignoramus with his pointed head stuck up through a hole he had cut in the flag of the United States of America, screaming about having a bottle of scotch and watching lots of crotch! Think about that.

    This is the same flag that we pledge allegiance to. This is the flag that is draped over coffins of dead, young uniformed warriors killed while protecting Kid Crotch's bony butt. He should be tarred and feathered, and ridden out of this country on a rail. Talk about a good reality show, there'a one for you.

    The desire and will of this Congress to meaningfully do anything about any of these so-called social issues is non existent and embarrassingly disgraceful. The American people are waiting and growing impatient with us. They want something done.

    I am pleased to be a co-sponsor of S.J. Res. 26 along with Senator Allard and others, proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to marriage. And S.1558, the Liberties Restoration Act, which declares religious liberty rights in several ways, including the Pledge of Allegiance and the display of the Ten Commandments. And today, I join Senator Shelby and others with the Constitution Restoration Act of 2004 that limits the jurisdiction of federal courts in certain ways.

    In doing so, I stand shoulder to shoulder not only with my Senate co-sponsors and Chief Justice Roy Moore of Alabama but, more importantly, with our Founding Fathers in the conception of religious liberty and the terribly wrong direction our modern judiciary has taken us.

    Everyone today seems to think that the U.S. Constitution expressly provides for separation of church and state. Ask any ten people if that's not so. And I' ll bet you most of them will say, "Well, sure." And some will point out, "it's in the First Amendment!"

    Wrong! Read it! It says, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Where is the word "separate ?" Where are the words "church" or "state?"


    They are not there. Never have been. Never intended to be. Read the Congressional Records during that four-month period in 1789 when the amendment was being framed in Congress. Clearly their intent was to prohibit a single denomination, in exclusion of all others, whether it was Anglican or Catholic or some other.

    I highly recommend a great book entitled "Original Intent" by David Barton. It really gets into how the actual members of Congress, who drafted the First Amendment, expected basic biblical principles and values to be present throughout public life and society, not separate from it.

    It was Alexander Hamilton who pointed out that judges should be bound down by strict rules and precedents, which serve to define and point out their duty. Bound down! That is exactly what is needed to be done. There was not a single precedent cited when school prayer was struck down in 1962.

    These judges who legislate instead of adjudicate, do it without being responsible to one single solitary voter for their actions. Among the signers of the Declaration of Independence was a brilliant young physician from Pennsylvania named Benjamin Rush.

    When Rush was elected to that First Continental Congress, his close friend Benjamin Franklin told him, "We need you. . . we have a great task before us, assigned to us by Providence." Today, 228 years later there is still a great task before us assigned to us by Providence. Our Founding Fathers did not shirk their duty, and we can do no less.

    By the way, Benjamin Rush was once asked a question that has long interested this Senator from Georgia, in particular. Dr. Rush was asked, "are you a democrat or an aristocrat?" And the good doctor answered, "I am neither. I am a Christocrat. I believe He, alone, who created and redeemed man is qualified to govern him." That reply of Benjamin Rush is just as true today in the year of our Lord 2004 as it was in the year of our Lord 1776.

    So, if I am asked why - with all the pressing problems this nation faces today - why am I pushing these social issues and taking the Senate's valuable time? I will answer: Because, it is of the highest importance. Yes, there's a deficit to be concerned about in this country, a deficit of decency. "

    So, as the sand empties through my hourglass at warp speed - and with my time running out in this Senate and on this earth, I feel compelled to speak out. For I truly believe that at times like this, silence is not golden. It is yellow.

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    EXCELLENT! I have another speech of Miller's at home that I need to dig out and put in this thread. I find the Democrat from GA refreshing. He has also stated that he is voting for BUSH this election. Miller knows Kerry intimately, having served with him in the Senate all of these years, and wants NO PART of him as President!

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    Where is the word "separate ?" Where are the words "church" or "state?" They are not there. Never have been. Never intended to be.
    For that matter, nor are the words: Christ, God, Bible, commandment, & democracy.

    It really gets into how the actual members of Congress, who drafted the First Amendment, expected basic biblical principles and values to be present throughout public life and society, not separate from it.
    If that stuff was SOOOO important to them, why did they NOT include it in the Constitution?!?!?!?!

    his close friend Benjamin Franklin told him, "We need you. . . we have a great task before us, assigned to us by Providence."
    Franklin spent the better part of his life chasing women and drinking like a fish. You can read it in his own autobiography! Enough of the hero-worship already.

    why am I pushing these social issues and taking the Senate's valuable time? I will answer
    BECAUSE AMERICAN CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN TOO BUSY CHASING DOLLARS TO FOLLOW CHRIST'S EXAMPLE!!!
    THE CHURCH HAS FAILED AND NOW NEEDS THE GOVERNMENT TO DO THE CHURCH'S JOB!!!!!


    It is yellow.
    NO .... YOU ARE YELLOW!!!

    For failing to turn off the TV and spend some time with your kids, YOU ARE THE COWARD!!!!
    For failing to minister to the sick and poor and imprisoned, YOU ARE YELLOW!!!!
    For turning to man's government to perform the duties of Christ's followers, YOU ARE THE COWARD!!!!!

    Lazy, lazy, lazy Christians .... still waiting for govt to do YOUR job.

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    Just bought Miller's book, yesterday, along with Hannity's... I'll send one to the Rock for Champ967, so he can be "hannitized"!!! Man, you need to take a walk on down by the river, under the Clinton Library spot and relieve a little tension!!!


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    Makes 2 prominent dems that are publicly stating they are backing Bush!!! I bet you won't get a sniff of a Rep. that will say the same for the donkey nominee!!!!

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    NO .... YOU ARE YELLOW!!!

    For failing to turn off the TV and spend some time with your kids, YOU ARE THE COWARD!!!!
    For failing to minister to the sick and poor and imprisoned, YOU ARE YELLOW!!!!
    For turning to man's government to perform the duties of Christ's followers, YOU ARE THE COWARD!!!!!

    Lazy, lazy, lazy Christians .... still waiting for govt to do YOUR job.


    You preach to me with points one and two. Point three? I see the government being responsible for the mess we have today. They need to help in fixing it.

    Champ, I thought about you when this question was posed to me yesterday........Which is better (or worse), Love without Truth or Truth without Love? It's been on my mind for the last 24 hours and applies to many of our debate topics.

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    Clinton's Library looks like a dang trailer on cinder blocks hanging out over the river. Still, if he teaches a class there, I might try to take it ... just to say I did. But I personally do not think it is a very aesthetically pleasing structure.

    If you are serious, I will look forward to receiving book: 5116 Glenmere, NLR 72116
    I will be in Helena on Wed night, if you's rather deliver by hand.

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    Go Zell. Finally a democrat I could vote for. A great speech that is long overdue. It's about time someone has the courage to deliver that kind of message on the senate floor.

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    Sorry, CAT ... been away from the puter.

    I see the government being responsible for the mess we have today
    Govt is NOT responsible for the mess. Govt just fills demand when private sector fails. Govt programs dont spring out of the ground. Bureaucrats dont do anything without a legislative mandate. Everything govt does was created through the legislative process.

    If Believers were caring for the hungry and sick and desparate to the best of their abilities, the demand for govt social programs would deteriorate. People are NOT dependent on govt ... people are dependent on PEOPLE! At some point in the last century, the Church stopped filling people's needs ... govt filled the void. And that's not a bad thing -- it's precidely govt's job!

    If you object to govt social programs, tithe. It's that simple. If all the self-professed Christians in America tithed, both demand for wealth redistribution programs would wither, and well as revenue (through deductions).

    And dont say that taxes prevent you from tithing effectively ... that's just a cop-out. After all, the charitable portion of your income is NOT taxed.

    People with wealth will always, always, always have to give to the unwealthy. It's an historical inevtiability. There's no getting around that. And all Christians have a responsibility to give to those with less ... No getting around that either. (And I doubt "stupid govt taxes" will be an acceptable excuse if you fail to!)

    That doesnt just apply to sharing cash either. That goes for sharing values too. For example, I am convinced that abortion rates would plummet if Believers would put the same effort into supporting adoption and crisis pregnancy programs as they do trying to get anti-aortion legislation passed.

    You can either take care of your fellow man yourself. Or let govt do it for you. It's gonna happen either way. And there's no question that govt is often a less effective/efficient method of delivery. But at some point the Church got lazy and started shirking its repsonsibilities. And now "conservative Christians" complain that govt doesnt do it right.

    So step up to the plate. If you wanna fight big govt ... tithe.

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    So you blame most of societies ills on present day Christians huh? :roll: You are a most interesting fellow Champ967. I do not think I will fall for your intriguing bait at this time.

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    Blame? Hmmmm .... No I blame society's ills on SIN. But man's govt does not have the spiritual authority to fight sin. That's the Church's job. Here's a metaphor that summarizes my understanding of the situation:

    Sin = arsonist
    Govt = firefighter
    Church = police
    Town ablaze = society's ills

    Wouldnt it be much more effective to catch the arsonist than wait to put out his fires? It's the police's job to catch the criminals and lock them up ... just as it is the Church's job to fight sin. By following Christ's example, Believers can "arrest" sin wherever it hides. But instead of hitting the streets, Christian cops are lounging back the KrispyKreme complaining about the fire dept's (govt's) inability to keep the town safe from the unchecked arsonist.

    Who would you "blame" in this situation?

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    I'll think I will wait until you do a little more digging. Be very careful before the hole gets too deep. :wink: I still will not try to bite your intriguing bait at this time.

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    Your loss ... it's mighty tasty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967
    Your loss ... it's mighty tasty!
    Hey right! :P Just like that picture of PIG GUT you posted today right? :shock:

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    I'm tellin ya man ... haggis is a fine Scottish delicacy.

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