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    I don't like this at all.

    Unless one of you lawyer types can further explain how this is good a thing, I don't like this at ALL!

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    Supreme Court Rules Cities May Seize Homes



    By William Branigin
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, June 23, 2005; 1:00 PM


    The Supreme Court today effectively expanded the right of local governments to seize private property under eminent domain, ruling that people's homes and businesses -- even those not considered blighted -- can be taken against their will for private development if the seizure serves a broadly defined "public use."

    In a 5-4 decision, the court upheld the ability of New London, Conn., to seize people's homes to make way for an office, residential and retail complex supporting a new $300 million research facility of the Pfizer pharmaceutical company. The city had argued that the project served a public use within the meaning of the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution because it would increase tax revenues, create jobs and improve the local economy.

    A group of homeowners in New London's Fort Trumbull area had fought the city's attempt to impose eminent domain, arguing that their property could be seized only to serve a clear public use such as building roads or schools or to eliminate blight. The homeowners, some of whom had lived in their house for decades, also argued that the public would benefit from the proposed project only if it turned out to be successful, making the "public use" requirement subject to the eventual performance of the private business venture.

    The Fifth Amendment also requires "just compensation" for the owners, but that was not an issue in the case decided today because the homeowners did not want to give up their property at any price.

    Writing for the majority, Justice John Paul Stevens said the case turned on the question of whether New London's development plan served a "public purpose." He added, "Without exception, our cases have defined that concept broadly, reflecting our longstanding policy of deference to legislative judgments in this field."

    New London officials "were not confronted with the need to remove blight in the Fort Trumbull area, but their determination that the area was sufficiently distressed to justify a program of economic rejuvenation is entitled to our deference," Stevens wrote. "The City has carefully formulated an economic development plan that it believes will provide appreciable benefits to the community, including--but by no means limited to--new jobs and increased tax revenue."

    Stevens added that "because that plan unquestionably serves a public purpose, the takings challenged here satisfy the public use requirement of the Fifth Amendment."

    He was joined in that view by justices Anthony Kennedy, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer.

    Dissenting were justices Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, as well as Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist.

    In a strongly worded dissenting opinion, O'Connor wrote that the majority's decision overturns a long-held principle that eminent domain cannot be used simply to transfer property from one private owner to another.

    "Today the Court abandons this long-held, basic limitation on government power," she wrote. "Under the banner of economic development, all private property is now vulnerable to being taken and transferred to another private owner, so long as it might be upgraded -- i.e., given to an owner who will use it in a way that the legislature deems more beneficial to the public -- in the process."

    The effect of the decision, O'Connor said, "is to wash out any distinction between private and public use of property -- and thereby effectively to delete the words "for public use" from the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment."

    The ruling has broad potential implications nationwide, giving cities wider authority to condemn homes and businesses to make way for more lucrative developments.

    According to the Institute for Justice, a Washington-based property rights group that represented the Fort Trumbull homeowners, local governments have used or threatened to use eminent domain to transfer property to private parties in more than 10,000 instances between 1998 and 2002.

    Over the years, the power of local governments to take private property through eminent domain has gradually grown. Although that authority historically had been used to acquire land needed for roads, bridges or other infrastructure fitting the "public use" requirement, the Supreme Court in 1954 broadened the definition of the term to allow local governments to condemn slums or other blighted areas for the purpose of redevelopment.

    The court's ruling today upheld the Connecticut Supreme Court, which had ruled 4-3 that New London's property condemnations were constitutional.

    The case had been brought by nine holdout owners of 15 homes in the Fort Trumbull area, which sits on a peninsula jutting into the Thames River and includes a total of about 115 privately owned properties.

    Among the holdouts was Susette Kelo, who moved into Fort Trumbull in 1997 and made major improvements to her house, which she prized for its water view. Another petitioner was Wilhelmina Dery, who was born in her Fort Trumbull house in 1918 and has lived in it with her husband for the past 60 years. In fact, the home, originally purchased by her grandmother, has been in her family for more than a century.

    Although the area is described as a working-class neighborhood, the majority opinion written by Stevens noted that "there is no allegation that any of these properties is blighted or otherwise in poor condition; rather, they were condemned only because they happen to be located in the development area."

    New London adopted its redevelopment plan in January 2000, two years after Pfizer announced plans to build a new research facility nearby. The plan called for a waterfront hotel and conference center surrounded by restaurants and stores, marinas for recreational and commercial use, 80 new residences in an urban neighborhood, office space for research and development, parking lots and other retail services. The site also includes an existing state park and space reserved for a new U.S. Coast Guard Museum.

    During oral arguments before the court, it emerged that the land parcels at issue were earmarked for office space and "support" for the park or marina, possibly meaning a parking lot.



    © 2005 The Washington Post Company

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Yeh, I am not too sure about this. It is not removing private property for public use. It is more removing private property to make it into someone else's private property throught the public sector. This is sketchy at best.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    I'm totally aganist this as well. I remember when they tried something like this in New Orleans and it was shot down.

    I just can't believe the liberals are all helping out Pfizer like this. I thought President George W. Bush was the big supporter of Pharm companies. Well he hasn't taken away people's homes to benefit them...

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    This is bad any way you look at it. Private business taking over personal property of citizens in the name of public good? This is VERY bad!

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Surely for a parking lot they could just use land a little further out. I'd like to say I'm suprised at the ruling...but then again the Supreme Court hasn't suprised on much of anything of late.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgbitten
    New London adopted its redevelopment plan in January 2000, two years after Pfizer announced plans to build a new research facility nearby. The plan called for a waterfront hotel and conference center surrounded by restaurants and stores, marinas for recreational and commercial use, 80 new residences in an urban neighborhood, office space for research and development, parking lots and other retail services. The site also includes an existing state park and space reserved for a new U.S. Coast Guard Museum.


    The plan called for? Like it needed all of these things. This is a joke and I cannot believe the Supreme Court let this through. A waterfront hotel and conference center? Then they throw in a US Coast Guard Museum to make it look good, wow.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Notice the ironic fall of the justices. The normal liberals voted against the rights of individuals. The normal conservatives warned of the danger that the use of the state's power would generally favor powerful business interests against the individual.

    Kennedy is the big disappointment in this decision. It's a terrible ruling.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    As unpopular as this seems with the populice, regardless fo political ideology, I say we raise a little noise and see if our senators will try to push a constitutional ammendment to overturn this. After all, it sure would be nice to tell the Supreme Court screw you for once ...

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    What is the "public good"? This must have been a difficult case for the Supreme Court to decide. While the concept of private property is certainly noble, in the "good old days" the King of England could take any land that he wanted and he didn't have to pay "just compensation". In today's cities, creating jobs and urban renewal is critical for them to remain healthy and competitive. My take is that there will be considerable more litigation on how this ruling is applied.

    Most of the business-type Republicans will endorse this decision since it supports big business and large corporations. The Republican Party will never go for a constitutional amendment to overturn this ruling, despite the wishes of the rank-and-file. When the Christian Right disagrees with Big Business, just follow the money.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    I HATE this decision as well. This stinks big time!

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    What an unbelievable ruling!!

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Seems like this is something we can all agree on, for once.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker2
    Seems like this is something we can all agree on, for once.
    I agree, this is certainly a rare day.
    You don't often see the Supreme Court defer to local government. Looks like they wimped out on a tough decision.
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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    This case isn't the first time private property was taken by a state government and transferred to another private entity. In Hawaii v. Midkiff, the Supreme Court upheld Hawaii’s use of eminent domain to solve the problem of concentrated land ownership. 72 private landowners owned 47% of the land and the state and feds owned another 49%. The state said this inflated the land market, and caused injury to the public “tranquility and welfare.” The court concluded that such a taking is ok because it is “rationally related to conceivable public purposes.”

    I disagree with this opinion like all of you, but it wasn't the first opinion dealing with private to private transfers. The dissent points out how this current decision is incorrectly expanding Midkiff. I wish this case would be addressed by Congress, even if it took an amendment.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg
    What is the "public good"? This must have been a difficult case for the Supreme Court to decide. While the concept of private property is certainly noble, in the "good old days" the King of England could take any land that he wanted and he didn't have to pay "just compensation". In today's cities, creating jobs and urban renewal is critical for them to remain healthy and competitive. My take is that there will be considerable more litigation on how this ruling is applied.

    Most of the business-type Republicans will endorse this decision since it supports big business and large corporations. The Republican Party will never go for a constitutional amendment to overturn this ruling, despite the wishes of the rank-and-file. When the Christian Right disagrees with Big Business, just follow the money.
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    I am BIG BUSINESS...I am a FAR RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE...I am part of the CHRISTIAN RIGHT...and this is an awful decison that smacks of socialism.

    There is no just taking here...it is a land grab in a very liberal bastion of Connecticutt. The area is not blighted; the homes are not in disrepair. Crack is not sold on the corner. It is merely the do-gooders of New London (and now the Supremes) deciding that they need to take something from one person and give it to another...kinda like taxes...take from me and redistribute to someone else.

    The liberal wing of the Court spoke today and paved the road for the social and economic conservatives that will be nominated by GWB for vacancies. There won't be much filibustering except that the usual suspects will grouse...even the one that says he didn't really understand the KKK when he as the Grand Majestic Cyclops of West Virginia!
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