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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by sik-m-boi
    either way...this is a dangerous thing. incidently, some would say "government" and "big business" are the same thing...that's a joke but it's probably going to get me a red dot.
    Exactly, and someone needs to call the local government and big business' hand on this bull crap. The Supreme Court should have and there should have been an investigation as to how something so ridiculous could even be passed, via bribery, etc. I dont know, this is absolute gahbage in my book.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Time to vote in some people that won't bow down to big business. I don't care if they are Democrats or Republicans. Find someone that thinks without bribes and threats. No matter what some of you think, we do not have that now on the state level (probably never have in Louisiana) or the National level.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by champion110
    I don't think this has much to do with the "government" doing what that they want to do. It has EVERYTHING to do with big business doing what they want to do.
    Couldn't be done without government complicity. I hope the voters in that place remember it at election time!

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by CARTEK
    A village idiot speaks!

    I am BIG BUSINESS...I am a FAR RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE...I am part of the CHRISTIAN RIGHT...and this is an awful decison that smacks of socialism.

    There is no just taking here...it is a land grab in a very liberal bastion of Connecticutt. The area is not blighted; the homes are not in disrepair. Crack is not sold on the corner. It is merely the do-gooders of New London (and now the Supremes) deciding that they need to take something from one person and give it to another...kinda like taxes...take from me and redistribute to someone else.

    The liberal wing of the Court spoke today and paved the road for the social and economic conservatives that will be nominated by GWB for vacancies. There won't be much filibustering except that the usual suspects will grouse...even the one that says he didn't really understand the KKK when he as the Grand Majestic Cyclops of West Virginia!
    When are people going to realize government is in the business of growing government?

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
    DH, someone has to take an adversarial role. Champ967 doesn't post here anymore. The usual liberals are on the conservative side. As a former liberal turned moderate (sorry maddawg I know you don't believe in moderates) I feel I might try to do the job. I'll risk the red that comes. Plus, I'm in the middle of working many nights in a row so the sleep depravation is beginning to play tricks on me. Maybe bro-in-law, Sooner, will come to my rescue.
    You need some red just to knock the green out of your posting area - it looks like you're trying to set a green record there (although far be it from me to give it to a neighbor). Nobody likes this except you....definitely don't think voters in that community will either!

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
    Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with this. The community will benefit from the extra businesses and income. Also, it's not like these people are just being thrown on the street. They are going go get at least fair market value for their houses. Just buy another house.
    That's the whole point. The government will declare the fair market value and NOT let the FAIR MARKET determine the value. Those people would sell for the right price....now they are forced to sell at a far lesser value.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
    Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with this. The community will benefit from the extra businesses and income. Also, it's not like these people are just being thrown on the street. They are going go get at least fair market value for their houses. Just buy another house.
    Like tyler said, the government gets to decide "fair market" price.

    Also, from what someone told me (so I cant back this up) the government can declare an area "blighted" and pretty much just condemn it, and kick everyone out without compensation. Even if its not true, declaring an area blighted first is sure to drive down the "fair market value" low enough to make it more affordable for whatever big business is moving in.

    I do think it would spur economic development in cities, but there has to be a fairer way, which doesnt trample the rights of individuals.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
    DH, someone has to take an adversarial role. Champ967 doesn't post here anymore. The usual liberals are on the conservative side. As a former liberal turned moderate (sorry maddawg I know you don't believe in moderates) I feel I might try to do the job. I'll risk the red that comes. Plus, I'm in the middle of working many nights in a row so the sleep depravation is beginning to play tricks on me. Maybe bro-in-law, Sooner, will come to my rescue.
    Sleep depravation must be working overtime on you if you think this should be allowed. What happens when the people don't want to move. We will be forcing people out for all kinds of important things(gas stations, garbage dumps, shopping centers) if this is allowed to happen. Whoever has the most money will always win and anyone that gets in the way will be screwed. Unless I've missed something that sounds pretty crappy to me.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by tylerdawg
    That's the whole point. The government will declare the fair market value and NOT let the FAIR MARKET determine the value. Those people would sell for the right price....now they are forced to sell at a far lesser value.
    I have to agree with Tylerdawg on this one. I still don't understand this passing. It figures that it would start in liberal NE of Conn.!

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Dirty, you surprise me on this one. Well not really. You always did love an argument.

    Nothing right about this one. If a conservative has questions, just look at the way the votes went. If a liberal has questions, just look at who benefits......BIG BUSINESS.

    BTW, this is not an example of Socialism. This is an example of an Oligarchy.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    but maddawg, liberal judges voted for it- it *must* be socialist! How can liberals do anything and not have it be coined as socialist? :-P

    Anyways, I am surprised by the judges who voted for this as it does seem to promote big business. I'd have assumed it was the other way around, with the conservative judges voting for it. Theyre the ones who always seem behind the truly stupid decisions. ;-)

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    This isn't a Big Business vs. Individual Rights issue. At least not at the Supreme Court level. The Supreme Court definitely has liberal and conservative judges, but these terms--"liberal" and "conservative"-- are much different in the judicial context than the capitol hill context.

    In the context of the judiciary, liberal jurists believe in this concept of the "living" constitution. They believe the constitution sets up a general framework of rights, but that the Supreme Court has the perogative to match the constitution with the times. It is more of a functionalist approach. These judges take words in the constitution and look at not what these terms meant when they were written, but what they mean or should mean in today's evolving society.

    Conservative judges, especially Scalia and Thomas, support the idea that the Constitution is dead--just a sheet of paper with rights and limitations. You give these terms and words in the Constitution the meaning they had when they were written. These judges believe it is not their job to match the Constitution with today's society, as the Constitution specifically gives the Legislature a way of amending the Constitution. This is more of a formalist approach.

    Thus, like with a case such as the one recently decided, the liberal judges were open to expanding the term "public use", while the conservative wing held that private to private transfers were not traditionally considered to be a legitimate "public use" authorized by the 5th and 14th amendments, and thus dissented.

    Being that I am very agree with the conservative wing of the court, I hope decisions like these help people see that the liberal-conservative dichotomy commonly known to us does not necessarily transfer to the liberal-conservative dichotomy on the Supreme Court.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    thanks for that Mike.

    I suppose I would have to agree with the idea that the constitution is a living document... That doesnt mean I have to agree with all decisions that expand on the constitution. And in this particular case, I disagree quite a bit with their decision.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Well, try as I might, I can't find a good argument to defend this decision. I don't know if I'm too tired, or what, but I'm gonna have to give in and agree it's a bad decision.

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    Re: I don't like this at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
    Well, try as I might, I can't find a good argument to defend this decision. I don't know if I'm too tired, or what, but I'm gonna have to give in and agree it's a bad decision.
    What the US Supreme Court did was uphold a decision by the Conn. Supreme Court. If we view this from the perspective of States' Rights, then the remaining 49 Supreme Courts of those States can maintain the traditional view that local governments cannot take private land for private purposes.

    I feel sorry for those homeowners in New London.

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