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    "In the hold" or "in the hole"?

    I was brought up calling the person batting behind the on deck batter was, "In the hold." On the Gameday coverage of the Astros game today they have "In the hole." Which one is it?

    When I was nine or ten our coach made us say, "In the hold" and said it had something to do with the hold of a ship.

    Does anyone know the answer to this. I breifly looked it up on the internet and really got no definitive answer.

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    Re: "In the hold" or "in the hole"?

    Batter is at bat

    Next batter is on deck

    Next batter is in the hole (the dugout)
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    Re: "In the hold" or "in the hole"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgpix

    Next batter is in the hole (the dugout)
    yes.

    "in the hole -- The batter after the on-deck hitter."

    http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/of...sics/lingo.jsp

    I've never before heard "in the hold". Soonerdawg's "coach" was an idiot. jmo
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    Re: "In the hold" or "in the hole"?

    HAha , we could make up a story about a boat and start calling it in the hold. I would back you up.

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    Re: "In the hold" or "in the hole"?

    Quote Originally Posted by nadB
    Soonerdawg's "coach" was an idiot. jmo
    So if his coach was an idiot for just one little letter, tell me this..

    Does a tie go to the Runner?

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    Re: "In the hold" or "in the hole"?

    I found a site that said that "on deck" is the deck of the ship. The next batter is in the hold of the ship.

    It is funny. I want to have been right for the last 35 years by saying "hold" instead of "hole."

    As to the tie goes to the runner. I have always been told in baseball that the tie goes to the runner. I have not read the rule. In softball, I have read the rule. The tie goes to the defense.

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    Re: "In the hold" or "in the hole"?

    From Ulster Publishing Co. site:


    "One, Skip McAfee of Virginia, engaged in a spirited debate over the meaning of the baseball phrase "out of left field," answering a query by professor Bill Rubinstein of Australia by refuting certain explanations offered by amateur philologist and professional word maven ("colloq") William Safire of The New York Times. Another, George A. Thompson, contributed to a thread I had started on a bulletin board for aficionados of nineteenth-century baseball about the nautical origins of such baseball terms as "skipper" (captain, later manager, of a nine), "on deck" (next batter), "in the hold" (next batter after that), "around the horn" (a double play initiated by the third baseman, then on to the second baseman, and finally the first baseman, but earlier derived from ships sailing around Cape Horn to Western ports, and earlier still, from the Dutch city of Hoorn), and "skyscraper" (an early baseball term for a pop fly, but even earlier, in 1794, a triangular topsail also called a moon-raker)."

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    Re: "In the hold" or "in the hole"?

    Interesting.

    Now, let's send this thread another way.
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    Re: "In the hold" or "in the hole"?

    if anyone knows/remembers Dean Dick, he has an interesting story about when he was playing baseball at Tech. You can imagine the laughter when he was announced as the 3 batter up.


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    Re: "In the hold" or "in the hole"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgpix
    Interesting.

    Now, let's send this thread another way.
    Do you put the toilet paper on to unroll over the top or from under?
    Why, over the top of course! Any other way would be uncivilized. :icon_wink
    BTW, who's on second?

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    Re: "In the hold" or "in the hole"?

    NO, what's on second! Who's on third?

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    Re: "In the hold" or "in the hole"?

    I don't know is on third. Who is on first. What is in the hold, and he is a wimp because he rolls his toilet paper from the bottom.

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    Re: "In the hold" or "in the hole"?

    Quote Originally Posted by DocMarvin362
    So if his coach was an idiot for just one little letter, tell me this..

    Does a tie go to the Runner?
    Technically in baseball there is never a "tie". He is either safe or out and it is the umpires discretion as to which it is. Nowhere in the rule book does it say tie goes to the runner

    As for in the hole:
    According to "The Dickson Baseball Dictionary",

    In the hole, referring to something stashed away, such as the on-deck hitter, or, by inference, a hidden card in a card game, comes from "in the hold", which the writer asserts was pronounced "hole" by British seamen. That shortening of words stands to reason, since the words forecastle and boatswain are pronounced "foc-sl" and "bo-sun".

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    Re: "In the hold" or "in the hole"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TulsaPup
    Technically in baseball there is never a "tie". He is either safe or out and it is the umpires discretion as to which it is. Nowhere in the rule book does it say tie goes to the runner
    PERFECT ANSWER! No such thing as a tie. That's one point for Tulsa! haha. But the Rulebook does have one rule that is the ultimate rule... Every Ump should know this by heart....

    Rule 9.01 (c) - Each Umpire has the authority to rule on any point not specifically covered in these rules.

    QUIZ TIME! (If you want to... just for fun) When a batter makes it safely to first base, but rounds the bag to the left and is tagged.. what is the official ruling?

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    Re: "In the hold" or "in the hole"?

    Quote Originally Posted by DocMarvin362
    PERFECT ANSWER! No such thing as a tie. That's one point for Tulsa! haha. But the Rulebook does have one rule that is the ultimate rule... Every Ump should know this by heart....

    Rule 9.01 (c) - Each Umpire has the authority to rule on any point not specifically covered in these rules.

    QUIZ TIME! (If you want to... just for fun) When a batter makes it safely to first base, but rounds the bag to the left and is tagged.. what is the official ruling?
    he is out.
    Here's one: Batter bunts a ball that lands directly on home plate and stops. catcher standing behind the plate picks it up and throws to first before the batter reaches. fairball and out? or foulball, strike?

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