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I was brought up calling the person batting behind the on deck batter was, "In the hold." On the Gameday coverage of the Astros game today they have "In the hole." Which one is it?
When I was nine or ten our coach made us say, "In the hold" and said it had something to do with the hold of a ship.
Does anyone know the answer to this. I breifly looked it up on the internet and really got no definitive answer.
Batter is at bat
Next batter is on deck
Next batter is in the hole (the dugout)
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yes.Originally Posted by Dawgpix
"in the hole -- The batter after the on-deck hitter."
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/of...sics/lingo.jsp
I've never before heard "in the hold". Soonerdawg's "coach" was an idiot. jmo
HAha , we could make up a story about a boat and start calling it in the hold. I would back you up.
So if his coach was an idiot for just one little letter, tell me this..Soonerdawg's "coach" was an idiot. jmo
Does a tie go to the Runner?
I found a site that said that "on deck" is the deck of the ship. The next batter is in the hold of the ship.
It is funny. I want to have been right for the last 35 years by saying "hold" instead of "hole."
As to the tie goes to the runner. I have always been told in baseball that the tie goes to the runner. I have not read the rule. In softball, I have read the rule. The tie goes to the defense.
From Ulster Publishing Co. site:
"One, Skip McAfee of Virginia, engaged in a spirited debate over the meaning of the baseball phrase "out of left field," answering a query by professor Bill Rubinstein of Australia by refuting certain explanations offered by amateur philologist and professional word maven ("colloq") William Safire of The New York Times. Another, George A. Thompson, contributed to a thread I had started on a bulletin board for aficionados of nineteenth-century baseball about the nautical origins of such baseball terms as "skipper" (captain, later manager, of a nine), "on deck" (next batter), "in the hold" (next batter after that), "around the horn" (a double play initiated by the third baseman, then on to the second baseman, and finally the first baseman, but earlier derived from ships sailing around Cape Horn to Western ports, and earlier still, from the Dutch city of Hoorn), and "skyscraper" (an early baseball term for a pop fly, but even earlier, in 1794, a triangular topsail also called a moon-raker)."
Technically in baseball there is never a "tie". He is either safe or out and it is the umpires discretion as to which it is. Nowhere in the rule book does it say tie goes to the runner
As for in the hole:
According to "The Dickson Baseball Dictionary",
In the hole, referring to something stashed away, such as the on-deck hitter, or, by inference, a hidden card in a card game, comes from "in the hold", which the writer asserts was pronounced "hole" by British seamen. That shortening of words stands to reason, since the words forecastle and boatswain are pronounced "foc-sl" and "bo-sun".
PERFECT ANSWER! No such thing as a tie. That's one point for Tulsa! haha. But the Rulebook does have one rule that is the ultimate rule... Every Ump should know this by heart....
Rule 9.01 (c) - Each Umpire has the authority to rule on any point not specifically covered in these rules.
QUIZ TIME! (If you want to... just for fun) When a batter makes it safely to first base, but rounds the bag to the left and is tagged.. what is the official ruling?
The "coach" was his dad! Our dad told me the same thing. Okay, dawg, I wouldn't put it past the old man to tell me that after hearing it from your old coach. I argued it with someone about four years ago, and that person pulled up some website that showed it is in the hole. I, like dawg, wanted to be right, but I still have to think it must be naval in nature. I mean really, it sure is a coincidence that we use terms like on deck, in the hold (if it is true), around the horn, base, ....wait...shouldn't that be port?yes.
"in the hole -- The batter after the on-deck hitter."
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/of...sics/lingo.jsp
I've never before heard "in the hold". Soonerdawg's "coach" was an idiot. jmo
Welcome back MD. Good to have you back. How is ole Virgina? Will you be there long enough to get in state tuition for your children in Virginia colleges?
The coach's name was Mike Faulk. He died in a horrible car accident while I was in college. I didn't know what position Dad would have on this topic, but I knew, in the tradition of being a Wilkerson, that he would have an opinion. I certainly do.
I would be interested in a site that gives an etiological explanation for "hole." I could not find one. There were plenty that said "hole," there just was no explanation for the use of the word.
By the way, Dad never coached me in any sport outside of the front yard. He just complained about the coaches I had, including Mike.You may have been too young to remember it, but in the seventies, Dad was a very, very busy man. Nevertheless, he never missed one of my games in any sport, no matter how bad I sucked at it.
Good to be back. You seem surprised. Isn't it nearly football season? I have a lot of catching up to do with the move from Cali and all.Welcome back MD. Good to have you back. How is ole Virgina? Will you be there long enough to get in state tuition for your children in Virginia colleges?
The coach's name was Mike Faulk. He died in a horrible car accident while I was in college. I didn't know what position Dad would have on this topic, but I knew, in the tradition of being a Wilkerson, that he would have an opinion. I certainly do.
By the way, Dad never coached me in any sport outside of the front yard. He just complained about the coaches I had, including Mike.
Re: State tuition in Virginia...I am a Texan!!! Sissy-Anne is the Virginian. Untz and Gracie are the California girls.
Re: Dad and coaching...You're right. I am too young to remember it. When I was old enough to play, Dad's job was to coach me so that I could make a $1M per year. I can't remember him NOT coaching. Hell, he even coached me from the bleachers while I was in college. The Marine Corps thanks him...
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sorry about that, didn't know the "coach" was his dad.
I do know that Dizzy Dean and Pee Wee Reese always said "in the hole", so that's good enough for me.
That would be "our" Dad. MajorDad is my brother, and is a Major in the USMC stationed in Virginia. He served in the first Gulf War. One hell of a guy.
You make a great point with Dizzy and Pee Wee. In rebuttal, first, you may have "thought" that they said "hole," because that what you were expecting to hear. Second, I would not cite Dizzy as an authority on the English language, even when it comes to nuiances of baseball. He was a great story teller, and quite possibly would say "hole" to make the story better. Third, I can't say I heard either of them say "hole." Where did you hear that?
With that said, if they did say "hole", that is persuasive authority that the word "hold" has evolved over time to "hole."
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