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What if Ken Ham was completely open to all the evidence and a natural progression through th evidence led to creation as the beginning? Does tolerance mean that you have accept everyone’s opinion or does it mean have to accept and respect that people have differing opinions. True tolerance would allow for both sides of any argument to be put forth for people to heat and make their own conclusion.Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Nor would Texas.
Not what socialist do. I saw on FB (Russian bot) where the students in California burned couches and destroyed property when they got their feelings hurt.
I know he wasn’t open to it because he doesn’t accept it. Either he is unaware of the evidence or his mind isn’t open to it. It is a matter of fact and not opinion. Well, I guess the one alternative is that he isn’t intelligent enough to understand the information.
But the point I was making is that Ken Ham is no more accepting of other people’s views than those that you are criticizing are with respect to his. If what they are doing amounts to persecution, then he is equally persecuting him:
“Abortion, Gay Marriage, homosexual behavior, transgender, are all attacks on the true family God ordained in Scripture”
Looking through his twitter, it seems like his arch nemesis is the FFRF.
We all see things through the prism of our faith (Christianity, atheism, evolutionism, or whatever). It's all faith and to claim that your faith has no affect on what you think of people or how you lean politically is intellectually dishonest. It doesn't mean that I shout you down or refuse to allow you time to express your point. I don't censor you and prevent you from having access to a medium through which to express your views. That is what I am getting at. This is what happens when a conservative tries to express his views. Or is that just the Russian propaganda that created all the videos of burning couches, windows being smashes, cars on fire, and hateful rhetoric being spewed at anyone who opposes the left? If you can prove to me that Russia created all that, then I will concede that Christians are not under attack.
McKinney TX high schools, after ten years, will no longer hold graduation in church. Not really persecution but just another extreme our society has slidden into.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/townhal...233%3famp=true
Would you be ok with graduation ceremonies happening in Mosques? Synagogues? What about in a Satanic Church? The founding fathers and the constitution have been steady about their belief on this for centuries. Do you blame the founding fathers for this "extreme our society has slidden into"?
Yes, the FF should have outlawed all the other religions declaring Christianity the official American faith.
(You asked....)
Yes I'd be ok with non-religious graduation services. I've been to weddings and funeral services in synagogue and mosques and agnostic places of worship. Enjoyed celebrating with friends, no one tried to convert anyone.
Actually, contrary to your statement, for centuries under the constitution of our founding fathers we DID have programs in such facilities. And it's interesting to me the protesters on such cases still like their pockets full of items with "In God We Trust on them.Services shouldnt celebrate a particular religion though.
This former pro football players comments on our slidden values are interesting even if not precisely what I believe:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www1.cb...-schools%3famp
You got me wondering on this one. I assume most schools in McKinney have well over 500 grads each year. It takes a big church to serve all those attendees. I was wondering if they broke out some of them to have ceremony at their respective churches.
Our 5th child will be graduating from WM this year. That "ceremony" has gotten to be a circus. Rednecks and thugs don't know how to act in that setting. I wish we could break out from the crappy ulm gym and just have it at various churches. Nobody gives a crap about being "together" on that night anyway...My son and 500 of his closest friends...
So there should be nothing wrong with the request in the story then, correct? The people only wanted a cross removed or covered in the altar for the ceremony i.e. having a nonreligious graduation ceremony. They weren't trying to get the ceremony removed from the church originally. If the church wasn't trying to convert anyone or purposely put Christianity in the ceremony, why would they refuse? The pastor said this “This is the heart of our church: to serve our neighbors, no strings attached, but we do it all in the name of Jesus and we will never hide that fact." He says that he wants to keep the cross there in "in the name of Jesus and we will never hide that fact" so obviously he is trying to keep Christianity into it. So the original complaints were valid, they were trying to keep a specific religion in a public ceremony, something that goes against the constitution.
This is going into religion and possibly too much of a tangent for this board, but covering it or removing it does not make anyone less of a Christian. (Now that I think about it, its kind of ironic that a protestant church is trying to protect its icon like this). The Pastor says that there are no strings attached when serving the neighbors, but then contradicts himself as he does have one rule which goes against his idea of serving his neighbors. If the pastor really was trying to serve his neighbors then he should have had no problem with the original request- a very selfless act and one that does not contradict him being a Christian. But this a totally different topic.
And that's fine as long as there's no religion in the ceremony. If the church was a great place for the graduation due to its location and size and there were no other alternatives, I would have no problem with the ceremony in the church if they tried to take religion out of it. But obviously, the pastor wanted to keep religion in the ceremony.
Yeah well I'm sure they like those items for what they're worth, not for what's written on them.And it's interesting to me the protesters on such cases still like their pockets full of items with "In God We Trust on them.
Interesting and right on target about the disruption and disrespect in many graduations. Maybe a more formal setting would help restrain that.
McKinney is just finishing up their new 80 million dollar football stadium. Guess they need to put it to use. In Frisco, we use the Dr. Pepper center, and now the STAR. It's indoors and allows for bad weather. However each graduate is limited to the number of guests they can bring. If you want to bring more than your allotment, you need to ask friends for extra tickets.
Frisco schools have a separate baculaurate (spelling) service which is voluntary and held in a local church.
Nope. Auditoriums, stadiums, conference halls, churches, backyards, living rooms. Don’t matter. Fools will be fools.
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