More persecution of Christians

[champion110]

Good for you. Now try commenting on the true nature of these articles/news story and not just if you like a great chicken sandwich. What do you think of these leftist wingnut folks (your buds) trying to creat a stir over his Christian beliefs and stance? No how about a...oh I don't know...., "These liberal folks and in your face gay groups are ^&%$&^% crazy for this one!!!" from you? Or "These libs have goe too far" from you.

How is this different than Christians protesting Penny's for their support of the Ellen Show? Both sides can protest anything. We live in a country that allows that. I am a Christian and don't have a problem with either protest. It isn't persecution, it is freedom of speech. Those issues get confused a lot. EVERY person in this country has a right to protest. It just happened to be a minority doing it in this case.

[maverick]

Good for you. Now try commenting on the true nature of these articles/news story and not just if you like a great chicken sandwich. What do you think of these leftist wingnut folks (your buds) trying to creat a stir over his Christian beliefs and stance? No how about a...oh I don't know...., "These liberal folks and in your face gay groups are ^&%$&^% crazy for this one!!!" from you? Or "These libs have goe too far" from you.

Tyler, didn't you start the thread that suggests people harass the Jiffy Lube guy because he supports a university other than ours? Why is it okay for CFA to choose what they support but not okay for the local guy to do the same? Similarly, why is it okay for you to endorse protesting JL but it is not okay for people to protest CFA's value stances?

[johnnylightnin]

Tyler, didn't you start the thread that suggests people harass the Jiffy Lube guy because he supports a university other than ours? Why is it okay for CFA to choose what they support but not okay for the local guy to do the same? Similarly, why is it okay for you to endorse protesting JL but it is not okay for people to protest CFA's value stances?

I thought this was interesting when I read it back in March, but it seems to be even more interesting to me now.

http://www.russellmoore.com/2012/03/...ott-starbucks/

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Tyler, didn't you start the thread that suggests people harass the Jiffy Lube guy because he supports a university other than ours? Why is it okay for CFA to choose what they support but not okay for the local guy to do the same? Similarly, why is it okay for you to endorse protesting JL but it is not okay for people to protest CFA's value stances?

Nope. I asked "If anyone had given the owner any grief yet?".

http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...nner-in-Ruston

[TYLERTECHSAS]

70,000 Christians 'locked in concentration camps'

Believers now get labeled as 'security threat'

Published: 16 hours ago

Sources confirm North Korea has eased or lifted a number of restrictions for citizens since Kim Jong Un succeeded his father, Kim Jong Il.
Kim Jong Il’s tenure as dictator was marked by intense persecution of Christians, including imprisonment of generations of a family for a single individual’s offense and executions.

Bans have been lifted on Western foods such as pizza and french fries, and restrictions on the number of cell phones have been loosened, for example, according to Ryan Morgan, an analyst with International Christian Concern Asia.
“The new ruler has even been uncharacteristically shown on state television, smiling and visiting an amusement park,” Morgan said.
However, whatever secular benefits may have trickled down to residents of the isolated communist nation, there is no evidence of any improvement in the condition of the persecuted church there, he said.
“We have not heard any reports of improvement for Christians in the country and have no reason to believe anything has changed,” Morgan said. “The regime still has up to 70,000 Christians locked away in virtual concentration camps.”

Morgan explained a Christian believer and three generations of his or her family can still go to prison for life just for owning a Bible.
“We’re hoping and praying this changes soon, but we haven’t seen any sign of it yet,” he said.
In fact, recent media reports say Kim Jong Un has moved to restructure the nation’s security apparatus to maintain his control.

Morgan pointed to a report by the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom stating that the North Korean regime is increasingly viewing refugees with religious beliefs or contacts as “potential security threats.”

The report says the regime is offering rewards for anyone providing information leading to the arrest of individuals involved in distributing Christian literature.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/70000-chr...tration-camps/

Hum......no protest from the liberals on this one from the BB&B left crowd yet?

[Woof!]

Tyler, didn't you start the thread that suggests people harass the Jiffy Lube guy because he supports a university other than ours? Why is it okay for CFA to choose what they support but not okay for the local guy to do the same? Similarly, why is it okay for you to endorse protesting JL but it is not okay for people to protest CFA's value stances?

Because that's "different". :icon_wink:

[Dirtydawg]

Christians are terrible when it comes to persecution of atheists. For example, the Texas Constitution excludes open atheists from holding public office -


Arkansas, Mississippi, South Carolina, Maryland, and Tennessee have similar exclusions. Thus, it is safe to say no group is more discriminated against on the basis of religion than atheists in the U.S.

/thread

Don't sound like they're terrible to me. Sounds like they're pretty good at it.

[Dirtydawg]

70,000 Christians 'locked in concentration camps'

Believers now get labeled as 'security threat'

Published: 16 hours ago

Sources confirm North Korea has eased or lifted a number of restrictions for citizens since Kim Jong Un succeeded his father, Kim Jong Il.
Kim Jong Il’s tenure as dictator was marked by intense persecution of Christians, including imprisonment of generations of a family for a single individual’s offense and executions.

Bans have been lifted on Western foods such as pizza and french fries, and restrictions on the number of cell phones have been loosened, for example, according to Ryan Morgan, an analyst with International Christian Concern Asia.
“The new ruler has even been uncharacteristically shown on state television, smiling and visiting an amusement park,” Morgan said.
However, whatever secular benefits may have trickled down to residents of the isolated communist nation, there is no evidence of any improvement in the condition of the persecuted church there, he said.
“We have not heard any reports of improvement for Christians in the country and have no reason to believe anything has changed,” Morgan said. “The regime still has up to 70,000 Christians locked away in virtual concentration camps.”

Morgan explained a Christian believer and three generations of his or her family can still go to prison for life just for owning a Bible.
“We’re hoping and praying this changes soon, but we haven’t seen any sign of it yet,” he said.
In fact, recent media reports say Kim Jong Un has moved to restructure the nation’s security apparatus to maintain his control.

Morgan pointed to a report by the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom stating that the North Korean regime is increasingly viewing refugees with religious beliefs or contacts as “potential security threats.”

The report says the regime is offering rewards for anyone providing information leading to the arrest of individuals involved in distributing Christian literature.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/70000-chr...tration-camps/

In all fairness, I suspect, per the bolded line, it's not just Christians being persecuted. The reason the 70k Christians were referenced in this article is because it was written for a Christian organization.

[Dirtydawg]

I think you all are missing Tyler's point. I don't take it that he's saying individuals and even interest groups shouldn't protest a business or organization if they don't agree with their beliefs. His point is that most of the media are attacking Chick-Fil-A and other Christian based business and organizations because of their Christian beliefs, but don't attack non-Christian businesses and organizations for theirs which is a double standard. Unfortunately, I think it's because most of the media don't subscribe to the more conservative beliefs of Christian modeled businesses and organizations, which again, is more to his point.

[johnnylightnin]

I think you all are missing Tyler's point. I don't take it that he's saying individuals and even interest groups shouldn't protest a business or organization if they don't agree with their beliefs. His point is that most of the media are attacking Chick-Fil-A and other Christian based business and organizations because of their Christian beliefs, but don't attack non-Christian businesses and organizations for theirs which is a double standard. Unfortunately, I think it's because most of the media don't subscribe to the more conservative beliefs of Christian modeled businesses and organizations, which again, is more to his point.

Well sure. It's no big deal with Jim Henson Co. or Starbucks makes a statement on what their view of marriage is because the media agrees with them.

[champion110]

I think you all are missing Tyler's point. I don't take it that he's saying individuals and even interest groups shouldn't protest a business or organization if they don't agree with their beliefs. His point is that most of the media are attacking Chick-Fil-A and other Christian based business and organizations because of their Christian beliefs, but don't attack non-Christian businesses and organizations for theirs which is a double standard. Unfortunately, I think it's because most of the media don't subscribe to the more conservative beliefs of Christian modeled businesses and organizations, which again, is more to his point.

However, we get back to the definition of Christianity.

My Neice lives in Boston and immediately sent me the letterfrom the Boston Mayor on this issue. She was supportive of it. Her husband is a Baptist Pastor in Boston and she is the most Christian person I know. She is in the Northeast, though. Different culture. When some on here talk about Christianity, they believe that Southern Baptist Bible belt has all the answers and it is not up for debate on if they are right or wrong.

As for Ray's statment about concentration camps, do people know that Gay persons were put in the Jewish concentration camps during the war - Jewish or not. They were put in shirts with a pink triangle to identify them as Gay and received even harsher treatment than the Jewish people. There is a long history of persecution of Gay persons. Hmmmm....... maybe someone should start a college program on this?

Did I just stir the pot in 15 directions?

[TYLERTECHSAS]

In all fairness, I suspect, per the bolded line, it's not just Christians being persecuted. The reason the 70k Christians were referenced in this article is because it was written for a Christian organization.

Quite possible. But news from the missionary front through the last 10 + years, per S. Baptist Missionary Board and Campus Crusade etc..at least, is not good and would fit this article.

[Dirtydawg]

However, we get back to the definition of Christianity.

My Neice lives in Boston and immediately sent me the letterfrom the Boston Mayor on this issue. She was supportive of it. Her husband is a Baptist Pastor in Boston and she is the most Christian person I know. She is in the Northeast, though. Different culture. When some on here talk about Christianity, they believe that Southern Baptist Bible belt has all the answers and it is not up for debate on if they are right or wrong.

As for Ray's statment about concentration camps, do people know that Gay persons were put in the Jewish concentration camps during the war - Jewish or not. They were put in shirts with a pink triangle to identify them as Gay and received even harsher treatment than the Jewish people. There is a long history of persecution of Gay persons. Hmmmm....... maybe someone should start a college program on this?

Did I just stir the pot in 15 directions?

I knew they were also put in concentration camps but couldn't imagine any harsher treatment than the mass starvation, torture, and gas chambers the Jews were put in.

And yes, the sludge is now stirring. For example, it has been my understanding that to be a Christian, one has to publicly profess that Christ is Savior and belief in the Holy Trinity as God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and not just think that Jesus had a a good message, so I'm going to follow his teachings and be a good person.

[champion110]

I knew they were also put in concentration camps but couldn't imagine any harsher treatment than the mass starvation, torture, and gas chambers the Jews were put in.

And yes, the sludge is now stirring. For example, it has been my understanding that to be a Christian, one has to publicly profess that Christ is Savior and belief in the Holy Trinity as God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and not just think that Jesus had a a good message, so I'm going to follow his teachings and be a good person.

Actually, they were singled out for ridicule before enduring the same torture as the Jews. There was just an extra step to their pre-torture.

I agree with what you are saying about being a Christian. I think I am following his teachings, as well.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

I think you all are missing Tyler's point. I don't take it that he's saying individuals and even interest groups shouldn't protest a business or organization if they don't agree with their beliefs. His point is that most of the media are attacking Chick-Fil-A and other Christian based business and organizations because of their Christian beliefs, but don't attack non-Christian businesses and organizations for theirs which is a double standard. Unfortunately, I think it's because most of the media don't subscribe to the more conservative beliefs of Christian modeled businesses and organizations, which again, is more to his point.

Well sure. It's no big deal with Jim Henson Co. or Starbucks makes a statement on what their view of marriage is because the media agrees with them.

Exactly guys! Thanks! I'm not really sure why these have to be spoon fed out to the left for them to see and get a flavor what what this is.
Since when in this country do we attack business owners for their Christian values? Let's see...I remember Hitler doing that against Jewish owned shops and owners just before..... well you get the picture.

Here's more news in this frontal attack on the Christian and Jewish faith and values (Judeo-Christian) by another lost leftist IMHO. (Straight off Drudge this morning. Here liberal Rahm Emanual is wrong on both issues. And he picks a racist anti-Semitic Muslim to help him with his crime problem??????? Is the problem one of Islamic origin or what? I doubt it highly!! What gives here?

Rahm Rejects CHICK-FIL-A: 'Not Chicago Values'...

Rahm welcomes help from Farrakahn, ignores anti-Semitic remarks