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If Christians local to these cities don't use this against these politicians in this time of hard economic times, they are dropping the ball. Trying to disallow businesses to open thereby running job opportunities away is against the mission of these local politicians. They're main priority should be trying to get businesses to their communities.
Feel free to start a thread calledOriginally Posted by Guisslapp
"More persecution of Atheist"
because in all honesty my heart breaks for your kind a lot. You guys definitely need the support of Christians everywhere!
Yet Christians continue to persecute them. And gays, but at least gays are not legally precluded by Christians from holding public office in states although Christians often campaign agaisnt them.
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
It's not a Baptist issue Champ. And I find it interesting that the more militant side of the homosexual agenda and protest against a Christian business owner and his values brought you to this thread to defend them. And I do believe this one could be the very beginning of a terrible fire storm against Christian, or Jewish for that matter, owned businesses. This country, if maintained on the same track, will turn that direction.However, we get back to the definition of Christianity.
My Neice lives in Boston and immediately sent me the letterfrom the Boston Mayor on this issue. She was supportive of it. Her husband is a Baptist Pastor in Boston and she is the most Christian person I know. She is in the Northeast, though. Different culture. When some on here talk about Christianity, they believe that Southern Baptist Bible belt has all the answers and it is not up for debate on if they are right or wrong.
As for Ray's statment about concentration camps, do people know that Gay persons were put in the Jewish concentration camps during the war - Jewish or not. They were put in shirts with a pink triangle to identify them as Gay and received even harsher treatment than the Jewish people. There is a long history of persecution of Gay persons. Hmmmm....... maybe someone should start a college program on this?
Did I just stir the pot in 15 directions?
Glad to see Chicago joining in the fight for equality and justice for ALL! When Christian groups attack and protest, it makes the news just as much. I fall on the side that supports equality for every individual (that doesn't harm others). I try not to judge -even those on the right wing that I disagree with, but I can see how that is difficult as I struggle with the "double standard" (to quote Tyler) in the posts that he makes. He is standing up for what he believes in, though. I am fine with that. I may disagree, but I would hate to see it not be allowed. Any Christian group can boycott and keep anti-Christian groups out, but that works both ways. When talking about a double standard, one has to use the "double" part of it. Sometimes, the argument gets turned upside down when that is done.
Atheist aren't precluded by Christians, but by lawmakers and voters in those states.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
As a Christian, your on the wrong end of this issue for argument sake (you ideas on homosexuality) only IMHO. Your heart can't be telling you this because you want Chik Fil A open on Sundays.
Un, huh. What religion do you think these "lawmakers and voters" that wanted the Constitutional restriction belonged to?
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
That doesn't matter. As "Christians" they have no power to preclude anyone. As lawmakers and voters they do...that is the power they've used.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
Yes it does make the news. However, in those instances the Christians are vilified and bashed for exercising their right to express their beliefs instead of just a straight forward article. In these instances when Christians are attacked by gays and other non-Christian organizations, those doing the attacks aren't vilified but rather glorified by those publishing the articles.
No Christians boycott (which I'm not in favor of) has received the attention that this issue has.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
A distinction of no significance. The fact that the persecution was achieved through state sanctioned channels, does not make it any less of a persecution or any more moral.
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
I'd say whether something is constitutional or not is certainly of significance. What you've suggested (Christians precluded...) would be a direct violation of anti-establishment clause. What has actually happened is that voters and representatives carried out the will of the people. I do question the constitutionality of mayors, in their official capacity, discriminating against businesses based upon the moral convictions of their CEOs...that seems to be a more clear violation of the anti-establishment clause.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
No way. Not even close. If ANYTHING violates the anti-establishment clause it is a state imposing a requirement that public office holders believe in a diety - not a city mayor trying to exclude a business because of their anti-gay politics.
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
"States imposing a requirement that public office holders believe in a diety" Name one. or even name where this has happened in the last 50 years. This doesn't happen!
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