CIA and the JFK Assassination

[dawg80]

What has definitely been revealed by Trump's opening of the files is that the CIA did play a role in the assassination. So far, there is nothing to prove they orchestrated it, made it happen, although that might surface later. For now, what we know is the CIA was VERY MUCH aware of Oswald's intentions to kill JFK, and the CIA purposely never shared that intelligence with the Secret Service. The CIA made not have actively recruited Oswald, but they did allow him to carry out his plans. And then covered it up...until recently.

As for a second shooter. I have always thought there was one on the Grassy Knoll. The vivid head shot to Kennedy came from the front-right, from the direction of the knoll. And, I also believe there was actually a third shooter, directly behind Kennedy's car that fired the shot that first struck Kennedy and Governor Connally. Oswald fired three shots in 8 seconds and all three of his shots missed. One struck a branch on the tree next to the Book Depository, his second shot was high and hit the railroad bridge in the distance, and his third shot was short and to the right of Kennedy's car, bouncing off the pavement and landing in the grass field of Dealy Plaza. Oswald's rifle was a very loud Italian-made Mauser, the two real shooters had modern rifles with silencers. The "magic bullet" produced as a shot that killed Kennedy is pristine because it was taken from Oswald's rifle, a bullet never fired. Oswald had a 6-shot clip and fired three times.

[PawDawg]

What has definitely been revealed by Trump's opening of the files is that the CIA did play a role in the assassination. So far, there is nothing to prove they orchestrated it, made it happen, although that might surface later. For now, what we know is the CIA was VERY MUCH aware of Oswald's intentions to kill JFK, and the CIA purposely never shared that intelligence with the Secret Service. The CIA made not have actively recruited Oswald, but they did allow him to carry out his plans. And then covered it up...until recently.

As for a second shooter. I have always thought there was one on the Grassy Knoll. The vivid head shot to Kennedy came from the front-right, from the direction of the knoll. And, I also believe there was actually a third shooter, directly behind Kennedy's car that fired the shot that first struck Kennedy and Governor Connally. Oswald fired three shots in 8 seconds and all three of his shots missed. One struck a branch on the tree next to the Book Depository, his second shot was high and hit the railroad bridge in the distance, and his third shot was short and to the right of Kennedy's car, bouncing off the pavement and landing in the grass field of Dealy Plaza. Oswald's rifle was a very loud Italian-made Mauser, the two real shooters had modern rifles with silencers. The "magic bullet" produced as a shot that killed Kennedy is pristine because it was taken from Oswald's rifle, a bullet never fired. Oswald had a 6-shot clip and fired three times.

One of my favorite topics...

G.H.W. Bush was over the CIA at the time. He and LBJ had a common interest to put it mildly. There's a reason G.H.Bush got the stolen "something" from the national archives and everybody looked the other way. I have no doubt that Trump releasing the files was payback to the Bush family of swampers who turned on him after he did not open the files in his first term (as a favor).

Of course there was more than one shooter. What you described above is all the proof needed. Of course all the Warren commission ignored the evidence which included Gerald Ford.

Also, the Officer J.D. Tippett murder by Oswalt is questionable. Many think the the CIA did that too and set Oswalt up for obvious reasons.

[CARTEK]

You are correct that there was more than one shooter...you are way off the mark on everything else.

Little reported fact: there was not a single witness that placed Oswald on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting, but there were several that placed him elsewhere.

[CARTEK]

GHWB was not over the CIA until 1976 and then for less than a year.

[PawDawg]

The Bush bunch is clean in all this? Clint Merchanson (sp?). The Hunts?

[dawg80]

You are correct that there was more than one shooter...you are way off the mark on everything else.

Little reported fact: there was not a single witness that placed Oswald on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting, but there were several that placed him elsewhere.

This is a new one on me. I have read books, articles, watched documentaries on the JFK assassination, and I don't recall ever seeing this tidbit of witnesses placing Oswald elsewhere. The most recent YouTube documentary I watched mentioned Oswald in the lunchroom of the depository, and other witnesses who placed him in the building the day of the shooting. This is interesting. Where does this information come from?

But, OK, to roll with this. If Oswald was set up to be the fall guy, which I think he was, then why not have him on the 6th floor? The CIA covered up most of the assassination, allowing it to happen. Based on everything I thought I knew, Oswald was determined to kill JFK, even arriving at that position on his own, and the CIA knowing this decided to use that to their advantage. The CIA placed two professional shooters in positions to kill JFK and simply allowed Oswald to do his thing knowing his actions would be the perfect cover. Well, let me back up, I haven't seen any hard evidence that the CIA hired the shooters or anything like that. Maybe they did, but they at least knew about the assassination plans of the MAFIA? the Soviets? Castro? whomever and the CIA kept all such information away from the Secret Service.

I'll have more on the shooter who was directly behind JFK and fired one of the shots that struck Kennedy and Connally.

[CARTEK]

The Bush bunch is clean in all this? Clint Merchanson (sp?). The Hunts?

I didn't say that. But he wasn't the CIA director in 1963. You should direct your attention to one James Jesus Angleton...he is where all things Oswald begin and end.

[CARTEK]

This is a new one on me. I have read books, articles, watched documentaries on the JFK assassination, and I don't recall ever seeing this tidbit of witnesses placing Oswald elsewhere. The most recent YouTube documentary I watched mentioned Oswald in the lunchroom of the depository, and other witnesses who placed him in the building the day of the shooting. This is interesting. Where does this information come from?

But, OK, to roll with this. If Oswald was set up to be the fall guy, which I think he was, then why not have him on the 6th floor? The CIA covered up most of the assassination, allowing it to happen. Based on everything I thought I knew, Oswald was determined to kill JFK, even arriving at that position on his own, and the CIA knowing this decided to use that to their advantage. The CIA placed two professional shooters in positions to kill JFK and simply allowed Oswald to do his thing knowing his actions would be the perfect cover. Well, let me back up, I haven't seen any hard evidence that the CIA hired the shooters or anything like that. Maybe they did, but they at least knew about the assassination plans of the MAFIA? the Soviets? Castro? whomever and the CIA kept all such information away from the Secret Service.

I'll have more on the shooter who was directly behind JFK and fired one of the shots that struck Kennedy and Connally.

It's all in the papers but you must do a great deal of reading and piecing to get the story. The Warren Commission Report is 90% crap and the MSM has relied on it for 60 years now. The complete truth will never be revealed because too many of the players are now long dead and gone. And if anyone thinks LBJ had no part in it, go back to seep!

[dawg80]

On the "second shooter" theory, or really, I should say the "third shooter" since Oswald was a shooter too. The third guy being on the grassy knoll.

I cannot find the YouTube video I watched about 2-3 years ago. I think it has been taken down, perhaps by the fellow who published it. But, from memory, this is what he claims:

Two professional snipers, hitmen, were hired to kill JFK. They were given modern rifles, probably foreign-made, "NATO" weapons in 6mm. One was on the grassy knoll. The other guy was in the apartment building which sat right where Houston Street met Elm Street, the sharp curve which is where the Book Depository is. This shooter was on the 3rd floor in what was a rented, but empty of furniture apartment. Some unknown person had just rented that apartment paying cash as a deposit and securing the key. Both of these rifles had silencers. Oswald's clumsy Mauser did not, and it is loud...on purpose.

According to the YouTuber(the video was over an hour in length and documented that guy's week), the pros were just secured a couple of days before JFK's Dallas visit. The rifles were brand new and apparently the scopes had NOT been properly sighted-in. But these guys were skilled marksmen and knew what to do. The apartment shooter fired first, even before Oswald fired his first shot seconds later. The scope was not properly sighted so the bullet missed badly, striking the pavement to the right of JFK's car just as it had completed the sharp turn onto Elm Street. The apartment building is labeled "Records Building" but apparently it had apartments in 1963. The motorcycle cop just behind and to the right of JFK's car reacted to the missed shot, as did onlookers standing on the sidewalk. Watch a video of the instant JFK's car makes that turn, the motorcycle cop and several onlookers all, at the same instant, quickly look at the street. They all heard the bullet strike the pavement. This shooter quickly adjusted the scope and his second shot hit home, hitting Kennedy and the bullet passing through and striking Connally. Thinking his job was done, and wanting to get out, he did not fire again. But his partner, on the grassy knoll fired just one shot. And during this sequence, all about 12-15 seconds, Oswald filled the middle with his 8-second, 3-shot "cover."

The apartment shooter fled to a motel west of Dallas on a highway that had been rented for him. He was told to lay low for a few days, then just leave without checking out, and head toward New Mexico to a phone booth in some town, where he would receive instructions where he could pick up his money. A traveler, later interviewed by this YouTuber, reported witnessing this guy's car deliberately struck in the rear by a truck which forced the car into a ravine where the apartment assassin died in the wreck. The traveler said he stopped to render assistance to the occupants of the car and did not get a good look at the truck, which sped away, a hit-and-run. Turns out there was only the driver in the car who died before First Responders could reach him.

Now, is any of this true? I don't know, but the YouTuber made a convincing argument, and it is possible.

[CARTEK]

Oswald was not a shooter that November day. Jesse Curry acknowledged that more than once.

[dawg80]

Oswald was not a shooter that November day. Jesse Curry acknowledged that more than once.

Someone fired from the Book Depository

[PawDawg]

Curry has, and has published, a pic of LHO standing in front of the Book Depository building seconds before the motorcade passed. The POS gun they found was not capable of making the shots. Either the Warren commission members were corrupt or idiots.

[dawg80]

Oswald was involved in the plot. Else he never would have run, hid in the theater, etc. Until I see something different, HARD evidence, I'm sticking with the theory I outlined above. Oswald fired 3 shots and was set up to be the fall guy and cast as the lone shooter. I don't think Jack Ruby acted on impulse, as he was also part of the plot. Just watched an interview with Curry, he never mentions anything other than he "believed" there was a "second shooter" on the grassy knoll. A "second" shooter because he knew Oswald was also a shooter.

But, I am open-minded, so produce some hard evidence and I can change my mind.


(...and please do!)

[PawDawg]

Oswald was involved in the plot. Else he never would have run, hid in the theater, etc. Until I see something different, HARD evidence, I'm sticking with the theory I outlined above. Oswald fired 3 shots and was set up to be the fall guy and cast as the lone shooter. I don't think Jack Ruby acted on impulse, as he was also part of the plot. Just watched an interview with Curry, he never mentions anything other than he "believed" there was a "second shooter" on the grassy knoll. A "second" shooter because he knew Oswald was also a shooter.

But, I am open-minded, so produce some hard evidence and I can change my mind.


(...and please do!)

Nobody said Oswalt was not involved, just that he did not take shots from the window based on the pic Curry produced. To add validity to the LHO chase, Officer Tippett was killed by Oswalt, but there are many refuted facts on that crime scene.

I believe you are correct. Ruby was not acting on impulse.

Curry said otherwise in his book.

Only the CIA and possibly the Secret Service could have made all the things happen that happened from the night before until the swearing in of LBJ.

Oh, the handling of the autopsy of Oswalt and JFK is an interesting wrinkle in all this too.

[CARTEK]

Oswald was an operative of James Jesus Angleton, who testified to the contrary before the Warren Commission. Oswald knew he was had when the shots were fired...so he ran!

And as Jesse Curry, Dallas Chief of Police, said on multiple occasions, “No one has ever been able to put him (Oswald) in the Texas School Book Depository with a rifle in his hand."