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    Re: Al Qaeda gains strength from Congress Timetable Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    . . . And BTW, we can win the PR game, sik-m-boi , if we KILL THEM ALL.
    We could also win the War on Drugs if we just arrested all of the drug dealers too. I don't understand what is taking so long.

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
    You never saw this type of conducted by our parent's and grandparent's generation. It's insane and embarrassing. Especially while our troops are still in the theater.
    Driving in a HUMVEE at 5 mph down a road looking for IEDs hoping a sniper on a building doesn't take a shot at your head IS NOT WWII, Korea, or even Vietnam. What IS insane and embarrassing is that we have political leadership that thinks this strategy is somehow going to change Iraq into Ruston after a well documented 1,500 years of being friggin CRAZY.

    Quote Originally Posted by ARKDAWG02
    . . . If we pull out of Iraq, we'll have much bigger problems in the near future.
    I'm also worried about the Communist taking South Vietnam.

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    Re: Al Qaeda gains strength from Congress Timetable Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by RougeDawg View Post

    I'm also worried about the Communist taking South Vietnam.
    yeah, life was great in southeast asia after the us left.

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    Re: Al Qaeda gains strength from Congress Timetable Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by ARKDAWG02 View Post
    And Harry Reid has to chime in with that great quote "this war is lost", now that's an example of what you get when you put a half a brain in a position of power. Hillary and most of these dem's that have been calling for a withdrawal voted for the war and that great war president Bill Clinton was saying Iraq would have to be dealt with when he was in office. Only problem is, he could only bring himself to lob a few cruise missiles in the middle of the night at some pill factory. He left the tough decisions to the next president. I've about had a gutful of this pull out crap. We're fighting al qaeda now over there, I second the motion of "bring it on" and invite em all into iraq and fight us like a real army. We'd be out of there in a few months.

    Therein lies the problem though. This isn't a conventional war fought by armies. We're fighting radicals who are willing to commit suicide and try and kill as many people with them as they can. At least when 2 conventional armies fight there are military tactics that can work and not many on either side want to get killed. George Bush never said this would be an easy fight, never said it would be fast. I remember him saying the war on terror would probably go on after his presidency. If we pull out of Iraq, we'll have much bigger problems in the near future.
    Excellent post! Thanks!

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    Re: Al Qaeda gains strength from Congress Timetable Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde View Post
    yeah, life was great in southeast asia after the us left.
    We can't wipe the whole worlds ass. We can barely take care of our own.

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    Re: Al Qaeda gains strength from Congress Timetable Plan

    Making a commitment to allies is not wiping asses.


    What a dumbass remark

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    Re: Al Qaeda gains strength from Congress Timetable Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde View Post
    Making a commitment to allies is not wiping asses.


    What a dumbass remark
    I'm rubber your glue

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    Re: Al Qaeda gains strength from Congress Timetable Plan

    Rogue- until Fox News or W himself tells these people that Iraq isnt an amazing success, and that everything is fine, and that we are paying iraq back for 9/11, people like tyler, cartek and CHC will continue to believe the obvious lies, because anything coming from a source *other* than Fox News is "gay liberal commie media lies"
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    Re: Al Qaeda gains strength from Congress Timetable Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker2 View Post
    Anything coming from a source *other* than Fox News is "gay liberal commie media lies"
    Now that deserves some green.

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    Re: Al Qaeda gains strength from Congress Timetable Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker2 View Post
    Rogue- until Fox News or W himself tells these people that Iraq isnt an amazing success, and that everything is fine, and that we are paying iraq back for 9/11, people like tyler, cartek and CHC will continue to believe the obvious lies, because anything coming from a source *other* than Fox News is "gay liberal commie media lies"
    Well aren't you the smart one.

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    Re: Al Qaeda gains strength from Congress Timetable Plan

    Not being reported on CNN of course.

    Iraq Officials Decry U.S. Troop Deployment

    Friday, May 11, 2007

    WASHINGTON — Worried Congress' support for Iraq is deteriorating rapidly, Baghdad dispatched senior officials to Capitol Hill this week to warn members one-on-one that pulling out U.S. troops would have disastrous consequences.
    The lobbying push targeted Republicans and Democrats alike, but focused primarily on those considered influential on the war debate. On Thursday, hours before the House voted to limit funds for the war, Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Barham Saleh met with more than 30 House Republicans and more than a half-dozen senators, including Sens. Harry Reid, D-Nev., John Warner, R-Va., and Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y.
    "He understands that American patience is waning," said Sen. Norm Coleman, after eating lunch with Saleh, Iraqi Ambassador Samir Shakir al-Sumaidaie and Sen. Saxby Chambliss.
    But the lobbying by the Iraqis isn't the only pressure-point being applied in Washington.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,271695,00.html

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    Re: Al Qaeda gains strength from Congress Timetable Plan

    Then why did more than half of Iraq's Parliament sign a petition demanding a timetable for US pullout? Youre not *against* democracy, are you Tyler? Because the Congress of BOTH countries wants a timetable.
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    Re: Al Qaeda gains strength from Congress Timetable Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker2 View Post
    Rogue- until Fox News or W himself tells these people that Iraq isnt an amazing success, and that everything is fine, and that we are paying iraq back for 9/11, people like tyler, cartek and CHC will continue to believe the obvious lies, because anything coming from a source *other* than Fox News is "gay liberal commie media lies"
    Daybreaker,

    Do you admit that there was at least some success in Iraq? I'm not saying an amazing success, but that we achieved *something* there... If not, do you mean to say that in the war as entered was a total defeat? If 1 is total defeat and 10 is amazing success, where do you rank our performance in Iraq?

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    Re: Al Qaeda gains strength from Congress Timetable Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by duckbillplatty View Post
    Daybreaker,

    Do you admit that there was at least some success in Iraq? I'm not saying an amazing success, but that we achieved *something* there... If not, do you mean to say that in the war as entered was a total defeat? If 1 is total defeat and 10 is amazing success, where do you rank our performance in Iraq?
    Yes, there have been some successes in Iraq. I'm very glad that Saddam Hussein is gone. But we never should have gone in there in the first place. There's tons of dictators in Africa worse than Saddam. And there's plenty of countries harboring more terrorists than Iraq. And Iraq didnt even have a connection to 9/11, yet 75% of our country thinks so because of the lies Bill O'Reilly tells on a nightly basis.

    Since we're already in Iraq, I dont think we can just bring everyone home right away. We need to clean up our mess. But instead of cleaning up our mess, and coming home, W wants to create even more of a mess and continue fighting some vague enemy. AlQaeda wasnt even in Iraq that much before we invaded.

    Thats why I think we need a plan and a timetable to continue to help Iraq rebuild their infrastructure, and provide the training they need to protect themselves, and then we come home. But instead of focusing on helping Iraq, we're focusing on fighting the mysterious "terrorism". And that will just lead to more dead soldiers, and to a contiued dysfunctional Iraq.

    And even though tyler will accuse me of "dodging the question like a typical liberal" you cant put the war on a scal of 1-10 from "Total Defeat" to "Total Victory", because when youre fighting a noun, and not an actual thing, it's hard to win. Even McCain said the war wont be "won" or "lost" in conventional terms.

    Because to rank the war as a 3 will make the neocons here say "You think we're losing?? How many terrorist attacks have there been? HUH? You think the terrorists are winning???" and thats not what a 3 means at all. A 3 means we are losing in the terms that, no, we are not being overrun by terrorists , but there is no way we will ever be able to fight until there is no one left to fight. If we just keep sending more troops, they will keep dying. It's a 3 because we are losing the "war" of helping Iraq rebuild.

    We need to stop focusing on fighting the insurgents, and instead focus on giving Iraq the ability to police itself, and govern itself, and then we come home and let Iraq deal with its own problems. Just like every other country does.

    But we wont do that, because if we left Iraq to its own devices, they might decide to not be so friendly towards the US. But of course, installing a US-friendly government in Iraq was never our purpose, was it? Of course not.
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    Re: Al Qaeda gains strength from Congress Timetable Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker2 View Post
    Then why did more than half of Iraq's Parliament sign a petition demanding a timetable for US pullout? Youre not *against* democracy, are you Tyler? Because the Congress of BOTH countries wants a timetable.

    Politicians want a timetable. Military strategist/generals that run this war know how foolish that would be. Keep the politicians out! Remember the DEMOCRAT'S nightmare they caused in Viet Nam.

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    Re: Al Qaeda gains strength from Congress Timetable Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Keep the politicians out!
    It's a little late for that tyler. It was the politicians who created the false information that deceived the public into supporting the war in the first place. And it's sad all you can do is bring up the democrats and vietnam when this is becoming a much bigger mess at the hands of the republicans. But I'm sure this is all Bill Clinton's fault somehow.
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