Are you saying that immigrant children haven’t been kept in cages under he current administration? If so, you are the one that has been duped.Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
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Are you saying that immigrant children haven’t been kept in cages under he current administration? If so, you are the one that has been duped.
Obama/Biden cages.
Stop being obtuse (and a drama queen to boot).
It is the Trump child separation policy.
As I understand it, and this comes from an ICE official, "the Trump child separation policy" tried to identify the actual parents and/or legal guardians of those illegal immigrant children and when they couldn't, or they had reason to suspect the adults in the company of some of the kids had no legal authority to have custody, they were separated. In some cases there was no doubt! But, in either, how absolutely reckless and dangerous would it be for our agents to say...."well, these adults here, who look like a bunch of thugs, arrived with these children, they have no papers/documents or credible witnesses who can vouch for them...but heck! we're just gonna let them all leave together." Surely no one, not even the Left, advocates for such a policy. In other cases the adults, who were or probably were the children's legal parent/guardian were known criminals with warrants! Are our agents suppose to send the kids to jail with the criminal adults? Really? We don't do that with citizens and their kids. If you are arrested for a crime, guess what!!! your kids will be separated from you...and you should be mighty glad of it too.
But, what is always lost in such debates is this: THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!!! They are nothing less than invaders. Like when Hitler sent his troops across the border into Poland, September 1, 1939. Just because they don't have fancy uniforms and aren't as well organized as the Nazis were, doesn't make them anything less than invaders! They should be thankful they weren't machine-gunned...
You don’t normally separate kids from their parents over a misdemeanor.
Constitutionally speaking, would blood test be a problem for proving familial relationships? Official government papers are okay, but those seem easily forged or don't exist for many from Central and South America.
First, really? If someone is booked into a lock-up for drunk and disorderly conduct, or simple battery, which I believe are misdemeanors, they had their kids with them, and the person cannot make bail or is perhaps so drunk they are incoherent those kids will spend the night with them in jail!? Where do you live...Venezuela? North Korea? I would hope some guardian, a family member, someone! will come get those kids and take them home.
Secondly, most of those separated from their kids were wanted for more than some misdemeanor offense.
Thirdly, if you are trying to make the case that entering this country illegally is a mere misdemeanor, then I would hope some judge would legislate from the bench, declare them wanton invaders, and turn them over to the military.
No. But nor are they separated forever, never to been again.
You dont know that.Secondly, most of those separated from their kids were wanted for more than some misdemeanor offense.
He 's not making that case. It's what the law says, in plain language. This has been asked and answered at length on this thread and elsewhere.Thirdly, if you are trying to make the case that entering this country illegally is a mere misdemeanor,
Entering the US without documentation is roughly equivalent in illegality to burglaring cars in a parking lot. A crime? Yes. A major one? Not hardly. A nuisance at worst.
Stepping over an arbitrary line on the earth without permission is a victimless crime. It harms literally no one. (Unless of course, one holds an existential dread of brown people crossing lines.)
Wrongo bud! Illegals do harm. And I don't just mean other crimes they commit...like murder. They clog up social services milking even more taxpayer money to support them. But, you know all of that...
I find Tom Homan's comments very interesting. He has a book coming out soon covering in detail his experience as ICE director, under the obummer administration. I have garnered additional respect for obummer and am ready to add a third accomplishment to his two...1) killing OBL and 2) killing those Somali pirates. We (the US government) were a LOT TOUGHER on illegals under obummer than the Trump administration has been. Homan was ordered twice, directly by the WH (obummer/Biden), to round up and deport 14,000 illegal children, and Homan refused on humanitarian grounds. Well, shame on you Tom Homan for not following direct orders. It was obummer/Biden who built those cages, and everyone knows that, there is video and lots of it, of kids in those cages back in 2014.
Trump has done a great job of slamming the door on the worst of the illegal immigration. Of course it is still happening but it has improved. Homan said it is down 80% since Trump took office. Mexico was, ahem, convinced to do something and they have shut off the rampant flow. If you profess to care...like Geraldo Rivera does when he literally cries on TV...about the plight of downtrodden people from Central and South America, and from Mexico too, then you should be leading the charge to have these "coyotes" stopped completely. The best thing we can do for the people of those "poor" countries is deny them access to the US and "force" them to fix things back home...with our assistance, of course. I have no problem spending some of my tax dollars actually HELPING good folks right things in their countries.
BTW........there were some libtards on Twitter blasting Trump for his comments in the debate when he mentioned "coyotes" bringing kids across the border. They actually thought he was referring to the animal! Yep, definitely Biden voters there!
BUILD THAT WALL! (with motion-detector machine guns). Once that is done and everyone, everywhere realizes illegal immigration simply ain't happening anymore, the sooner we can get down to actually fixing the real problems.
No, I'd dispute that.
death cultBUILD THAT WALL! (with motion-detector machine guns).
The same policy Biden and the half-breed built cages for, right?
Using terms like that don't help your argument. Race has nothing to do with this (or anything else, really).
And yes, it was the policy of the Obama/Biden administration to separate the children from the adults that brought them into the country. This is actually a good thing because of all the human trafficking at the border.
Remember, it was the Obama they referred to as the "deportation president", not Trump. That said, illegal immigration should be stopped.
You can blame the Supreme Court with it's recent ruling on DACA and at least 50 years of Congressional ineptitude for this whole issue. We need comprehensive immigration reform and not a bunch of judicial activism and presidential executive orders to fix the problem.
Should be part of a comprehensive immigration policy.
Actually, if you make it easier and more timely for people that WANT TO BECOME AMERICANS to come here legally, you can be pretty sure 99% of those showing up at the border unannounced are undesirables.
Great points and 100% correct!
Wrong. It wasn’t Obama’s separation policy, it was Trump’s “zero tolerance” policy that caused the separations.
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