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    Dems go racial

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    What say you?

    Is this responsible leadership? Is it healthy to tell the black electorate that they are being discriminated against (from the government's response to Katrina to AIDS research)? Does this help race relations or hurt them?
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    Maybe you can explain this to me - but just how does this "roll back a half-century of desegregation laws"???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rus-La View Post
    Maybe you can explain this to me - but just how does this "roll back a half-century of desegregation laws"???
    It's quite simple really...going all the way back to one of the most historical Supreme Court cases ever in "Brown vs. Board of Education" (1954), where everyone (or should I say almost everyone) knows that the court ruled that the government's segregation of schoolchildren by race violated the Constitution's equal protection law...

    But what a lot of people don't realize is that the cases following "Brown" were interpreted by the court requiring only minimum standards in order to comply with the court's original ruling...for the most part, the court wanted to leave it up to the local communities to decide what measures should be taken in order to integrate their schools...and they did, and they have ever since to continue their integration efforts...

    In this particular case, Seattle and Louisville were the cities in question, and both communities have made several efforts to modify its integration standards to resist the threat of resegregation

    All of this, of course, is now completely ruined...over half a century of cases regarding race in schools are now crap because of these justices...Justice Bryor said it best when he said "never have so few people done so much in so little time"

    Sure, in a perfect world it would be great for everyone to be colorblind and not have race be an issue at all when it comes to matters like this, but unfortunately this isn't a perfect world and this court had no right to to make this ruling...if the local community has a problem with its integration standards, then they should change them themselves, not the Supreme Court...

    Tisk tisk, all of this over a stupid "tiebreaker" rule for racial classifications

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechSupporter11 View Post
    It's quite simple really...going all the way back to one of the most historical Supreme Court cases ever in "Brown vs. Board of Education" (1954), where everyone (or should I say almost everyone) knows that the court ruled that the government's segregation of schoolchildren by race violated the Constitution's equal protection law...

    But what a lot of people don't realize is that the cases following "Brown" were interpreted by the court requiring only minimum standards in order to comply with the court's original ruling...for the most part, the court wanted to leave it up to the local communities to decide what measures should be taken in order to integrate their schools...and they did, and they have ever since to continue their integration efforts...

    In this particular case, Seattle and Louisville were the cities in question, and both communities have made several efforts to modify its integration standards to resist the threat of resegregation

    All of this, of course, is now completely ruined...over half a century of cases regarding race in schools are now crap because of these justices...Justice Bryor said it best when he said "never have so few people done so much in so little time"

    Sure, in a perfect world it would be great for everyone to be colorblind and not have race be an issue at all when it comes to matters like this, but unfortunately this isn't a perfect world and this court had no right to to make this ruling...if the local community has a problem with its integration standards, then they should change them themselves, not the Supreme Court...

    Tisk tisk, all of this over a stupid "tiebreaker" rule for racial classifications
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    I don't buy that explanation one bit. I see a vast difference between segregation and what the court just said. Segregation is saying "you can't go to this school because your white" or "you can't go to this school because your black" or "Hispanic/Latino" or "Asian" or whatever- basically that "this school is only for this race, now go away"... Are you saying that we are to change what we have learned and what has been taught about what segregation is/was because somebody's master plan (intentional wording) got thrown off???

    How is saying that schools can not use race as a determining factor for anything the same as segregation??? This is giving EQUAL access to everyone, regardless of race... If I'm not mistaken, is that not what Brown v. BE intended and such?




    And the another issue - should schools be state or federally controlled? OR privately? (I personally say privately - can be better, because it really can't get any worse)
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    I don't know, it is just the kind of stuff Dems like to say because it makes a good soundbite.
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    Re: Dems go racial

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19487919/

    What say you?

    Is this responsible leadership? Is it healthy to tell the black electorate that they are being discriminated against (from the government's response to Katrina to AIDS research)? Does this help race relations or hurt them?
    This is pure race baiting and it hurts race relations. Gee... what did Slick and Hillary do with their 8 years in office to help the race cause? ZERO....NADA
    Actually, I still don't know what Slick did during his 8 years that helped this country period. I still can't name one thing. Not one peice of legislature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    This is pure race baiting and it hurts race relations. Gee... what did Slick and Hillary do with their 8 years in office to help the race cause? ZERO....NADA
    Actually, I still don't know what Slick did during his 8 years that helped this country period. I still can't name one thing. Not one peice of legislature.
    The thing I would say to that is all the legislature you would normally remember, is stuff that are "hot button" issues or that have been bad in the short term or long run. Most of the good stuff, you usually don't remember. At least, that is what I have observed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    This is pure race baiting and it hurts race relations. Gee... what did Slick and Hillary do with their 8 years in office to help the race cause? ZERO....NADA
    Actually, I still don't know what Slick did during his 8 years that helped this country period. I still can't name one thing. Not one peice of legislature.

    It's must have been a great 8 years because Slick is riding high in approval ratings. Of course, anything before the GWB disaster probably boosts people's memory of how great Slick is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg View Post
    It's must have been a great 8 years because Slick is riding high in approval ratings. Of course, anything before the GWB disaster probably boosts people's memory of how great Slick is.
    I was a foreign policy advisor to Slick, a member of his TACA committee. He was a very good politician, and could have been a good leader if he had taken more things seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    This is pure race baiting and it hurts race relations. Gee... what did Slick and Hillary do with their 8 years in office to help the race cause? ZERO....NADA
    Actually, I still don't know what Slick did during his 8 years that helped this country period. I still can't name one thing. Not one peice of legislature.
    He signed welfare reform into law even though he promised to come back and fix it later (which he never did). That's my one positive.

    The biggest problems that Clinton caused had nothing to do with legislation. For on he signed an executive order that allowed Loral to sell information and technology to the Chinese propelling their rocket programs 30 years forward. Allowing them space travel and production of ICBM's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GonzoDawg View Post
    He signed welfare reform into law even though he promised to come back and fix it later (which he never did). That's my one positive.

    The biggest problems that Clinton caused had nothing to do with legislation. For on he signed an executive order that allowed Loral to sell information and technology to the Chinese propelling their rocket programs 30 years forward. Allowing them space travel and production of ICBM's.
    And that Frank/Dodd Housing bill that eventualy caused the housing crash and bank bailout problems.

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    I'm hearing it from everywhere though... not just dems/libs...

    I think Roberts said it right - "The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race."

    So why is this a problem??? I don't see it as ignoring racism...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rus-La View Post
    I'm hearing it from everywhere though... not just dems/libs...

    I think Roberts said it right - "The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race."

    So why is this a problem??? I don't see it as ignoring racism...
    I agree with the decision. I'm all for equal opportunity, not special opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg View Post
    I agree with the decision. I'm all for equal opportunity, not special opportunity.
    Equal opportunity...special opportunity.

    Someone told me the other day with much conviction that the most descriminated group of people in america today is white males.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhythmDawg View Post
    Equal opportunity...special opportunity.

    Someone told me the other day with much conviction that the most descriminated group of people in america today is white males.
    I personally think it's left-handed people who are the most discriminated against

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