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    Re: Dems go racial

    Quote Originally Posted by DONW View Post
    Wouldn't Dr. Carson need to be white to be a white nationalist.
    Not if he is burdened with self loathing.

    Sadly, that statement will make sense to Guiss and a few others here. Their hate knows no bounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD View Post
    It is a wonder Maxine Waters can find her ass with both hands. Well, maybe not...she looks in the mirror and puts bright red lipstick on it every morning!!!!

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    Re: Dems go racial

    The liberal, socialist Dems are messing with our kids/young adults again.

    'White shaming' is new rage on college campuses

    It's all about 'deconstructing whiteness,' the 'construct
    of whiteness,' the 'ignorance of whiteness'



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    'White shaming' is new rage on college campuses

    It's all about 'deconstructing whiteness,' the 'construct
    of whiteness,' the 'ignorance of whiteness'




    WASHINGTON – An assistant professor at the University of Iowa who pledged to expose her students to “their own white ignorance” in a “peer-reviewed academic journal” was stunned and appalled that she was, well, criticized for it.
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    University of Iowa assistant professor Jodi Linley

    Jodi Linley, a white education instructor, wrote that her goal was to make her “mostly white” graduate students keenly aware of their “white privilege” and use her classroom to “deconstruct whiteness.” If she did otherwise, she explained, it would make her “complicit” in perpetrating white supremacy.
    “For white students,” she wrote, “talking about race with an all-white group of peers … [reveals] their own white ignorance.”
    Linley said her commitment to designing classes that fight white privilege began as soon as she became a professor in 2014, at which point she resolved to “develop courses that both unveiled and rejected” the notion that “neutrality and objectivity are realistic and attainable.”
    “As a white assistant professor of mostly white graduate students who will become higher education leaders, I work to dismantle whiteness in my curriculum, assignments and pedagogy,” Linley explained, noting that in addition to her “white identity,” she also draws on her “identities as a queer, able-bodied, cisgender woman” with a working-class background to construct her “teaching paradigm.”
    She offered up five strategies other professors can use to deconstruct white privilege in their own classes, such as making sure students know that their views on race will be challenged, “interrupting oppression” that occurs in classroom settings, and segregating students by race so they can have more productive dialogues about privilege.
    “For white students, talking about race with an all-white group of peers facilitates their realization that they are raced beings, thus revealing their own white ignorance,” Linley asserted as justification for segregating students during some discussions.
    Perhaps Linley and her university thought the paper would be a groundbreaking work that would be met with universal praise. However, it was widely criticized on social media, and she received some negative email.
    Concerned individuals may contact University of Iowa assistant professor Jodi Linley.
    She and her university described that reaction as being “targeted, harassed and threatened.”
    Daniel Clay, dean of the College of Education, expressed horror over the criticism, issuing this statement:
    “Recently, one of our faculty members was singled out for publishing a peer-review article on race issues in higher education. This faculty member was targeted, harassed, and threatened by many people from around the country through email, phone calls, and social media.
    “As the dean of our University of Iowa College of Education, I want to affirm that we welcome all students, faculty, and staff of all races and backgrounds. We work hard to create an inclusive environment that cultivates respect and appreciation for everyone. The University of Iowa is also strongly committed to freedom of expression and the First Amendment, and that extends to students, faculty and staff.”
    Apparently, however, the commitment to freedom of expression and the First Amendment does not apply to dissenting opinions expressed in emails and on social media.


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    Re: Dems go racial

    I have a question(s)...

    Why, or how, did "whites" become privileged? Is it because God made it so? Nah, that can't be since there is no God, according to libtards. Okay...

    Is it because "whites" are smarter, more capable, more accomplished, more etc...???? If so, then I suppose "whites" have earned the so-called privilege, and who is anyone to say "whites" don't have a right to use that which "whites" have earned? Oh, but libtards would go ballistic at the mere suggestion that "whites" are smarter, or whatever. So, that can't be it.

    Well...maybe it's because "whites" are just lucky and at some time in history fate handed out privilege and "whites" happened to be in the right place at the right time. Well then, no one should benefit from luck. (of course tell that to the woman who just won the big Powerball jackpot)

    OH! it's because "whites" are from Europe and we all know that "white Europeans" are evil! But...that doesn't seem to have bothered orientals who have built their own empires, and today are not the least bit concerned about so-called "white privilege."

    And, to avoid arguments, I won't even address "black privilege" which exists....

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    Re: Dems go racial

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    I have a question(s)...

    Why, or how, did "whites" become privileged? Is it because God made it so? Nah, that can't be since there is no God, according to libtards. Okay...

    Is it because "whites" are smarter, more capable, more accomplished, more etc...???? If so, then I suppose "whites" have earned the so-called privilege, and who is anyone to say "whites" don't have a right to use that which "whites" have earned? Oh, but libtards would go ballistic at the mere suggestion that "whites" are smarter, or whatever. So, that can't be it.

    Well...maybe it's because "whites" are just lucky and at some time in history fate handed out privilege and "whites" happened to be in the right place at the right time. Well then, no one should benefit from luck. (of course tell that to the woman who just won the big Powerball jackpot)

    OH! it's because "whites" are from Europe and we all know that "white Europeans" are evil! But...that doesn't seem to have bothered orientals who have built their own empires, and today are not the least bit concerned about so-called "white privilege."

    And, to avoid arguments, I won't even address "black privilege" which exists....
    Don't think of it as privilege, think of it as advantage. In fact, don't even think of it that way. Think of how black folks in our country have been disadvantaged. Think strictly in economic terms.

    1. Slavery: blacks could build no lasting wealth.
    2. Slavery: blacks had no access to education so that they could build lasting wealth.
    3. Post slavery: a mass of uneducated people trying to make a living. They weren't slaves anymore, but had anything really changed?
    4. Education: where are the worst schools in America, that's right, black neighborhoods.

    If the word privilege makes you uncomfortable, so be it. If you can't see that "we" have had a quarter-millennium head start, I don't know what to say to you.

    I don't know the answer, but ignoring reality certainly isn't it.

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    Re: Dems go racial

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    4. Education: where are the worst schools in America, that's right, black neighborhoods.

    If the word privilege makes you uncomfortable, so be it. If you can't see that "we" have had a quarter-millennium head start, I don't know what to say to you.
    #4 has nothing to do with lack of whiteness. Skin color did not bring on the horrible education system.

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    Re: Dems go racial

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    #4 has nothing to do with lack of whiteness. Skin color did not bring on the horrible education system.
    I'm on my phone, but it is a direct result of 1-3.

    Regardless, the education system's horribleness is not equitably horrible. There's a huge racial disparity. Do you deny that? Further, do you deny that the creation of all these private options at the time of segregation had a negative impact on public schools?
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    Re: Dems go racial

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    I'm on my phone, but it is a direct result of 1-3.

    Regardless, the education system's horribleness is not equitably horrible. There's a huge racial disparity. Do you deny that? Further, do you deny that the creation of all these private options at the time of segregation had a negative impact on public schools?
    Not a direct result. I've lived it for almost 50 years and have witnessed first hand what brought it down. The disparity is not racial, it is cultural. Yes, I deny the private options brought down public schools. Ouachita and Lincoln Parish have private schools...GOOD private schools. Both parishes have great public school systems. Contrast those parishes with Caddo, Monroe City, and some of the rural parishes. 50 years of federal mandates and poor leadership caused the problems for the current culture. Every attempt to fix the problems with proven solutions are met with opposition from those who have been running things for the past 50 years. THERE is the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Not a direct result. I've lived it for almost 50 years and have witnessed first hand what brought it down. The disparity is not racial, it is cultural. Yes, I deny the private options brought down public schools. Ouachita and Lincoln Parish have private schools...GOOD private schools. Both parishes have great public school systems. Contrast those parishes with Caddo, Monroe City, and some of the rural parishes. 50 years of federal mandates and poor leadership caused the problems for the current culture. Every attempt to fix the problems with proven solutions are met with opposition from those who have been running things for the past 50 years. THERE is the problem.
    If you're starting 50 years back, you're 150 too late. Why were there federal mandates in the first place? I agree whole heartedly that there has been poor leadership (black, white, democrat, and republican), but that doesn't mean that there hasn't been systemic disadvantage from the very beginning.

    You can blame the culture all day long, but you have to honestly ask yourself, where did the culture come from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Yes, I deny the private options brought down public schools.
    So top students pulling out of the public school system did nothing negative to the public schools? Top teachers moving to private academies had no negative effect? Not only were blacks denied entrance into the quality schools. . .once we let them in, the schools were not the same as they had been before! I don't know how you could, with a straight face, deny that.

    I'm not saying those schools didn't have a right to open or that the parents shouldn't have had a choice, but MANY (if not most) of those academies popped up for the sole purpose of keeping white kids from having to go to school with black kids. Shreveport is STILL dealing with it.

    Again, I'm not saying I have an answer to how to fix it, but I think it would go a long way if we quit pretending like we've all been on even footing and some "cultures" just don't work as hard or make poor decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    If you're starting 50 years back, you're 150 too late. Why were there federal mandates in the first place? I agree whole heartedly that there has been poor leadership (black, white, democrat, and republican), but that doesn't mean that there hasn't been systemic disadvantage from the very beginning.

    You can blame the culture all day long, but you have to honestly ask yourself, where did the culture come from.
    No the public school systems in the South began to suffer after segregation, but segregation did not "cause" the problems we have 50 years later. I gave you local examples of the public school system working and pointed out the reason(s) where it does not work. It's not complicated and it IS cultural. Lack of education is certainly a cause of the culture, but the federal government's involvement in the process has been much more of a problem than a solution. More government is not the answer.


    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    So top students pulling out of the public school system did nothing negative to the public schools? Top teachers moving to private academies had no negative effect? Not only were blacks denied entrance into the quality schools. . .once we let them in, the schools were not the same as they had been before! I don't know how you could, with a straight face, deny that.

    I'm not saying those schools didn't have a right to open or that the parents shouldn't have had a choice, but MANY (if not most) of those academies popped up for the sole purpose of keeping white kids from having to go to school with black kids. Shreveport is STILL dealing with it.
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    Top students have not pulled out of public schools even in Caddo. Top teachers are still in the public schools, but are now mandated by stupid federal ideas like common core. Where were black's denied entrance into quality schools? There has always been a way for blacks and whites to get out of failing schools to the better schools. Some decide to stay in the failing schools. Again, that is cultural not racial.

    BTW, those academy's popped up because the founders of the academys had zero confidence in the local school boards to properly educate their children it was never all about "getting away from blacks".

    We both know the true fix is spiritual, but even w/out a spiritual fix there is a way out.

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    Re: Dems go racial

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    No the public school systems in the South began to suffer after segregation, but segregation did not "cause" the problems we have 50 years later. I gave you local examples of the public school system working and pointed out the reason(s) where it does not work. It's not complicated and it IS cultural. Lack of education is certainly a cause of the culture, but the federal government's involvement in the process has been much more of a problem than a solution. More government is not the answer.


    Top students have not pulled out of public schools even in Caddo. Top teachers are still in the public schools, but are now mandated by stupid federal ideas like common core. Where were black's denied entrance into quality schools? There has always been a way for blacks and whites to get out of failing schools to the better schools. Some decide to stay in the failing schools. Again, that is cultural not racial.

    BTW, those academy's popped up because the founders of the academys had zero confidence in the local school boards to properly educate their children it was never all about "getting away from blacks".

    We both know the true fix is spiritual, but even w/out a spiritual fix there is a way out.
    I'm not talking, necessarily, about the problems we have 50 years later, I'm talking about the fact the education that the black community has had access to since 1776 (where there was one) has been second rate. Are there outliers? Absolutely, but that proves the point, it doesn't refute it. And, I NEVER said more government was the answer...I've yet to offer an answer, it's a very difficult problem. I just want us to be honest about the role that racism played in the problem.

    Top students certainly pulled out in Caddo during the 40's, 50's, and 60's. . .and some do to this day.

    Blacks were denied entrance into quality schools for the majority of their time on this continent. . .Plessy v. Furgeson affirmed what had been accepted practice. Sure, it was overturned and black folks who can't afford private school have access to quality education now, if they live where there is quality public education OR if they can test into the magnet system in a place like Caddo. Plessy v. Furgeson wasn't racial?

    You paint a noble picture of the academies. . .awfully coincidental that it also allowed those with means to keep from having to go to school with blacks. . .something many of them had been fighting legally up to that time.

    I don't understand why it's so hard to admit that, historically, it's been tougher to be a black person in this country than it has been to be a white person. Pride is the only answer I can come up with. None of us here were at the reins of power when these systems were being set up. Why do we take it so personally? It doesn't lessen anyone's accomplishments, it just helps us to have empathy for those who've been dealt a tougher hand. What's the problem with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    I'm not talking, necessarily, about the problems we have 50 years later, I'm talking about the fact the education that the black community has had access to since 1776 (where there was one) has been second rate. Are there outliers? Absolutely, but that proves the point, it doesn't refute it. And, I NEVER said more government was the answer...I've yet to offer an answer, it's a very difficult problem. I just want us to be honest about the role that racism played in the problem.

    Top students certainly pulled out in Caddo during the 40's, 50's, and 60's. . .and some do to this day.

    Blacks were denied entrance into quality schools for the majority of their time on this continent. . .Plessy v. Furgeson affirmed what had been accepted practice. Sure, it was overturned and black folks who can't afford private school have access to quality education now, if they live where there is quality public education OR if they can test into the magnet system in a place like Caddo. Plessy v. Furgeson wasn't racial?

    You paint a noble picture of the academies. . .awfully coincidental that it also allowed those with means to keep from having to go to school with blacks. . .something many of them had been fighting legally up to that time.

    I don't understand why it's so hard to admit that, historically, it's been tougher to be a black person in this country than it has been to be a white person. Pride is the only answer I can come up with. None of us here were at the reins of power when these systems were being set up. Why do we take it so personally? It doesn't lessen anyone's accomplishments, it just helps us to have empathy for those who've been dealt a tougher hand. What's the problem with that?
    Top students were pulling out of Caddo public before segregation? That's a new one.

    Blacks have not been denied entrance into quality schools for almost 50 years...three generations ago. Choosing to stay in failing schools is a culture issue.

    I'm not sure where you are getting your academy information, but it was about education. Plain and simple.

    It's not a personal problem with me. It's something I've live through, thought about, prayed about, and continue to be involved in through a great organization. Living in the past won't make a difference, but helping to change that culture one life at a time will make a difference.


    How do you explain the noted problems experience by Grambling? Is it lack of whiteness or culture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Top students were pulling out of Caddo public before segregation? That's a new one.

    Blacks have not been denied entrance into quality schools for almost 50 years...three generations ago. Choosing to stay in failing schools is a culture issue.

    I'm not sure where you are getting your academy information, but it was about education. Plain and simple.

    It's not a personal problem with me. It's something I've live through, thought about, prayed about, and continue to be involved in through a great organization. Living in the past won't make a difference, but helping to change that culture one life at a time will make a difference.


    How do you explain the noted problems experience by Grambling? Is it lack of whiteness or culture?
    No, it's not a new one. The exodus from public schools in the south began in the 40's in response to SCOTUS decisions that outlawed segregation in graduate and professional schools. Many "saw the writing on the wall".

    If you think 50 years of access can reverse 300 years of lack of access, I question whether or not you understand the depth of the problem created during that first 300 years (and, let's be honest, long after segregation became illegal). The problem of "choosing to stay in failing schools" is far more complex than you make it out to be. A culture of mistrust was created over that 300 years and it doesn't disappear because of "equal access". Further, many of these parents don't have any connections at the schools they now have access to and the centuries of economic disadvantage have made it difficult for those parents to care for their kids after school without a greater community around them. Sometimes that community is only accessible for these folks at those failing schools. I'd love to get Rafe's take on this. And that's to say nothing of the logistical, travel, and other considerations that must be accounted for.

    I'm not the first person who's interacted with the concept of segregation academies...I find it hard to believe that you've never considered that. Private school enrollment in the 40's in the south increased by 43% in response to the decisions mentioned earlier. From 1950 through 1965, private schools saw unprecedented growth, but nowhere more pronounced than in the south. By 1958, southern private schools had seen an enrollment increase of 250,000 students.

    This concern for education that you speak of was basically nowhere until anti-segregation rulings started to come down the pike.

    I think it's honorable to do what we all can individually to promote equality, education, and invest in the lives of the less fortunate. I think a HUGE first step toward doing that effectively is being honest about how we got where we are in the first place.

    And again, Grambling and all its issues does nothing but bolster my point. You may call it living in the past, but I think an honest evaluation of the "cultural degradation" that you seem to be laying the disparity at the feet of, will show you that the culture developed as a result of hundreds of years of toil and work that fattened the wallets of everyone but the ones doing the lion's share of the work.
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    Re: Dems go racial

    No, it's not a new one. The exodus from public schools in the south began in the 40's in response to SCOTUS decisions that outlawed segregation in graduate and professional schools. Many "saw the writing on the wall".

    Totally ridiculous as it applies to the failure of today's public schools and the lack of whiteness.


    If you think 50 years of access can reverse 300 years of lack of access, I question whether or not you understand the depth of the problem created during that first 300 years (and, let's be honest, long after segregation became illegal).


    You, like the government likes to do, are over complicating a cultural problem by blaming the past. It's as silly as blaming statues.

    I'm not the first person who's interacted with the concept of segregation academies...I find it hard to believe that you've never considered that. Private school enrollment in the 40's in the south increased by 43% in response to the decisions mentioned earlier. From 1950 through 1965, private schools saw unprecedented growth, but nowhere more pronounced than in the south. By 1958, southern private schools had seen an enrollment increase of 250,000 students.


    More bad, copied, and pasted info from some misinformed apologist on a guilt trip. It's not at all accurate.

    And again, Grambling and all its issues does nothing but bolster my point. You may call it living in the past, but I think an honest evaluation of the "cultural degradation" that you seem to be laying the disparity at the feet of, will show you that the culture developed as a result of hundreds of years of toil and work that fattened the wallets of everyone but the ones doing the lion's share of the work.


    Don't you see that the people running Grambling are the problem, not the attendees? That's cultural corruption and only goes back approximately 50 years. It's the same with most failing public schools. Caddo and Monroe City are prime examples.

    How can you blame something that happened over 100 years ago for those problems?

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