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    Interesting read

    Some of you may have already seen the following in an e-mail message. I just received it today myself and found it a pretty telling account of the political system and voting lines in our country. Further bolsters my belief that the average voter will see what is at stake in this year's race and will show up in force to vote for McCain. Much like people were saying that Kerry was going to win in a landslide against Bush on 2004, we keep hearing how McCain is trailing both Clinton and Obama in head-to-head match-ups right now. Personally, I believe these polls are being conducted in Gore territory, as decribed below.

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    About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:


    'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.'

    ''A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'' From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'' 'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'' ''During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:




    1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
    2.From spiritual faith to great courage;
    3. From courage to liberty;
    4. From liberty to abundance;
    5. From abundance to complacency;
    6. From complacency to apathy,
    7. From apathy to dependence;
    8. From dependence back into bondage'




    Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law,
    St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:


    Number of States won by:


    Gore: 19
    Bush: 29




    Square miles of land won by
    Gore: 580,000
    Bush: 2,427,000




    Population of counties won by:
    Gore: 127 million
    Bush: 143 million




    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
    Gore: 13.2
    Bush: 2.1



    Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country.

    Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

    Olson believes the
    United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase. If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

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    Re: Interesting read

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp

    I should just have a textfile with all these snopes link in them. Oh wait, mildawg has me on ignore. So could someone re-post this for him?
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    And if we really are in between complacency and apathy, why would realizing this make people vote for John "stay the course" McCain over Barack "Change" Obama? If people were complacent/apathetic, they would vote for McCain since it's 4 more years of the same Bush BS. But if people REALIZE we are in the complacent/apathy stage and want to do something about it, theyll vote for change.

    So, voting for McCain actually only sends us further down the path of destruction, according to your (likely false) scale.
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    Re: Interesting read

    Quote Originally Posted by mildawg View Post
    During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:



    1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
    2.From spiritual faith to great courage;
    3. From courage to liberty;
    4. From liberty to abundance;
    5. From abundance to complacency;
    6. From complacency to apathy,
    7. From apathy to dependence;
    8. From dependence back into bondage'

    Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase. If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker2 View Post
    And if we really are in between complacency and apathy, why would realizing this make people vote for John "stay the course" McCain over Barack "Change" Obama? If people were complacent/apathetic, they would vote for McCain since it's 4 more years of the same Bush BS. But if people REALIZE we are in the complacent/apathy stage and want to do something about it, theyll vote for change.

    So, voting for McCain actually only sends us further down the path of destruction, according to your (likely false) scale.

    Unless that vote for "change" sends us from number 6 to number 7.

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    Re: Interesting read

    touche. :-P

    But maybe we already have a dependence on other countries, as evidenced by rising gas prices and the falling dollar.
    Dependence doesnt just have to mean "Dependence on governmental social programs". Maybe we're already too dependent on oil, and thats whats hurting the economy.

    McCain has said he will have an energy policy that will get us off of oil dependence... But if he has a plan, why isnt he giving it to us? Why is he waiting until he is elected? If he has a plan, is he going to refrain from giving it to us if he isnt elected? Isnt that kind of childish and unpatriotic to say "I had a plan to get us off of oil, but you didnt elect me. Oh well." Or is he just saying he has a plan, hoping no one will ask him what it is, hoping people will elect him just on the promise of a plan? And isnt that kind of apathetic to say "Oh, you say you have a plan? Ok, yeah, I guess thats fine."
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    Re: Interesting read

    Also, it's funny that the article is obviously a conservative propaganda piece, and claims that if Congress votes to give amnesty to all illegal immigrants that the USA will be gone in 5 years...yet it's W's plan, not Congress's, to do that in the first place.
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    Re: Interesting read

    Wow, DB2 with 4 responses. Truth hurt?

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    Re: Interesting read

    We aren't a democracy. We're a republic, yet we have moved much farther to a pure democracy.

    This is why the ELECTORAL COLLEGE and SENATE came to be. The Senate was originally appointed by STATE legislators.

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    Re: Interesting read

    Quote Originally Posted by mildawg View Post
    Wow, DB2 with 4 responses. Truth hurt?
    lol. Too bad you have me on ignore, so you cant actually see that youre the one who is blind to the truth. The truth apparently hurts you so much you have chosen to live in blissful ignorance the rest of your life. Enjoy it.
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    Re: Interesting read

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker2 View Post
    touche. :-P

    But maybe we already have a dependence on other countries, as evidenced by rising gas prices and the falling dollar.
    Dependence doesnt just have to mean "Dependence on governmental social programs". Maybe we're already too dependent on oil, and thats whats hurting the economy.

    McCain has said he will have an energy policy that will get us off of oil dependence... But if he has a plan, why isnt he giving it to us? Why is he waiting until he is elected? If he has a plan, is he going to refrain from giving it to us if he isnt elected? Isnt that kind of childish and unpatriotic to say "I had a plan to get us off of oil, but you didnt elect me. Oh well." Or is he just saying he has a plan, hoping no one will ask him what it is, hoping people will elect him just on the promise of a plan? And isnt that kind of apathetic to say "Oh, you say you have a plan? Ok, yeah, I guess thats fine."
    I'd say it's more naive.

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