Not that it would make much difference. McCain is toast.Originally Posted by StrayDawg
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Not that it would make much difference. McCain is toast.
"All roads lead to Putin" -- Thomas Jefferson
You can only dance a jig on the Ellen show so many times. The majority of the folks will see Osama Bama for the socialist liberal that will endanger their lives and vote for McCain as President.
Really? As if the voting public cares about Iraq. They only care about getting the hell out of there.
It's the economy bought to you by the Republicans that will be the issue. McCain is an old guy who, next to Obama, looks like he belongs in a Senior Citizen center instead of the White House.
Sorry, Tyler, that I had to be the one to tell you this.:icon_wink:
"All roads lead to Putin" -- Thomas Jefferson
Remember, it was me posting about where's the DEM/LIB "It's the Economy Stupid" matra thread? Asking where the libs/dems were on that issue because the economy had boomed throughout BUSH's terms until the last few months. All they had at the time, in their minds, to bitch about was the Iraq war. Well now that the "troop surge" has worked the libs/dems are now trying to go back and cling to the economy issue. Good luck! We have 9 months of Bush left to help stimulate the economy.
Obama will never win as he has never done anything of note for America. EVER! Not one law has he sponsored or helped get passed while in the US Senate. On the other side, McCain will eat him alive on how DC works and how he (McCain) has worked with both sides of the aisle successfully co-sponsoring numerous bills with DEM/LIB leaders,to the wits end of the GOP. McCain is the wise old guy that has reached out to the Libs/Dems. Not Obama and never a Clinton. Obama is the most Liberal Senator on record as well as not having been able to reach out to the other side of the aisle in his short 3 year term. He hasn't even tried evidently by his voting record. I say OBAMA will be on the short end of the stick in the general election. And it will only be close if he talks Hillary, Richardson or Bloomberg into a VP position. But he will still lose IMHO.
Remember, OBAMA has done NOTTA! EVER!
Personally, I'd take a whole lot of NOTTA over a whole lot of McCain or Bush, or pretty much any candidate out there. But Obama does not represent NOTTA.
And giving Bush 9 months to stimulate the economy? Please. How about 9 months for the dollar to tank even farther.
Bush has been piling fresh potting soil into the economic pot for years to make it look good, but the soil is filled with bugs that keep eating us at the roots. (that's enough of the gardening/planting analogies -- I'm having to do too much landscaping at the moment). The "economic gains" we've seen in the Bush administration are wiped out if you consider the devaluation of the dollar (relative to other currencies) over the same time period. His economic ship has NEVER been right.
Matter of fact, I bet if you valued our stock market in Euros, it has definitely lost value since the "rebound" after 9-11, or any other currency for that matter. Only in dollars has the stock market "appreciated over the last couple of years. Bush's economic stimulation is a joke. He knows that most Americans dont even realize it, so he will prop the economy up with these faux stimulators and leave the next person to deal with it.
I don't know about y'all but I don't live in Europe, my bank account is not denominated in Euros, and I won't be retiring to Europe.
I'm an asshole! What's your excuse?
What has Obama accomplished in his storied 2-year career in the Senate? Tell you what, I'll make a list of McCain's accomplishments and you make one of Obama's. My list will take a legal pad; yours will take a post-it note.
The DEMS have voted for his stimulus plan right along with him. And many of them have agreed that the tax cuts work. How many tax cuts has it been? Other factors have caused the dollar problem. Can you say stupid bank loans and their loaners? Not BUSH and the DEMS that voted with him for the tax cuts and other new stimulus packages.
I agree Mildawg except OBAMA's accomplishments wouldn't even fill up the back of a postage stamp. Muchless having worked across the aisle with the GOP. McCain, to his fault at times, has lived on the other side of the aisle. Wake up guys! McCain and his middle ground tendencies is the only thing that will allow the GOP to work hand in hand with liberal whiners. He's been there and done that!
OBAMA's done NATTA
Show me the numbers and compare inflation, unemployment rates, and gains in net income as well.
Neither would the substance of any of his speeches. Just repeat "change" over and over...
Momentary thread creep...sorry:
If your kids are not yet 18, check that before they declare. The US has changed their policy on this a few times in the last couple of decades, and depending on how Germany views dual citizenship, they may not have to choose anymore. I didn't...
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...
That's all fine and good mildawg. But keep in mind, I'd STRONGLY prefer a do-nothing government to a Bush/McCain government. The government's job is to keep out of my way, not to "accomplish" things!
I used to think that the best possible case, short of having someone like Ron Paul in the White House, was to have a president of one party and a congress controlled by the other party. Well, Bush and the democratic congress have pretty much blown through that.
I will give McCain credit for one thing (that makes him better than Bush) -- he will actually use the veto pen for pork. I think McCain is probably a marginally better candidate than Obama, simply on agenda (the war case only takes Obama so far -- he's wrong on pretty much everything else). Still, if I knew that 4 years of Obama would bring the Republican party to its senses, I would absolutely vote for Obama, suck up (hopefully) four years of him, then hope for the best in 2012.
I'd also prefer Hillary to Obama for that same reason -- either of them win in 2008, but I think Obama wins in a landslide and doesn't look back until 2016!
I don't know about that Randerizer. GOP great and National hero Ronald Reagan did an awfully good job with a DEM Congress and Senate. He was able to reach across the aisle like McCain has done time and time again during his career.
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