Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde
I make my rounds on Patrol
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To be back in school....:bigcry:
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
D) (Liberals only) I wish I could talk to the shooter so I can better understand his feelings. Then I could learn to become more tolerant and accepting of his violent behavior.
When was the last time that the police actually stopped a mass shooting spree on a college campus? In most recent mass shootings at schools and colleges, the shooter either commits suicide (Columbine, Virginia Tech, Northern Illinois) or surrenders to a school official before the cops arrive.
Well, in all fairness, didn't some of them commit suicide because the cops were down on them?
The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history. In his ruling, Justice Scalia noted the following;
"Nothing should cast doubt on long-standing prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons or the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings."
The Supreme Court just backed up that laws prohibiting guns on campus are constitutional and necessary. Oh well, I'm just a GOOBER who knows nothing about such things even though the Supreme Court just helped back my argument...
You are clearly no lawyer. The Supreme Court did NOT sat that laws prohibiting guns on campus are NECESSARY. He just said they are constitutional. That doesn't mean they are a good idea. It also doesn't mean that if the restrictions were overturned (and students were permitted to carry guns) there would be a legal or constitutional problem. The SC was simply distinguishing the types of restrictions which are impermissible under the 2nd Amendment from those that are allowed by the Constitution.
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
You are correct, I'm not a lawyer. I never professed to be either.
The fact remians.... Carrying guns on campus is against the law and will remain that way.
Doesn't mean its a good thing.
I don't understand why most law officers are against law abiding citizens carrying handguns. It's the criminals you should be worrying about, not me.
I'm only against them being carried by students on a college campus. It complicates much more than it solves.
You know, there are a lot of good arguments for why CC shouldn't be allowed on campus. However, it seems to me that your argument is that in the event of a large scale event like what occurred on Va Tech's campus, CC would complicate matters for the police. Is that why you feel CC shouldn't be allowed on the college campus or is there more that you really haven't talked about?
As I have previously stated, there are several reasons I do not support CC carry on campus. First and foremost is the lack of training. CC classes do not even touch on active shooter situations. Then there is actually pulling a trigger. There is a big difference between plinking targets and stress shooting. Stress shooting is not covered in CC clases. I have seen seasoned officers miss the target completely when first exposed to high stress shooting. It takes training to learn to do it. Believe me.... a shootout is stress shooting. Then there is the possibility of an incident that would be caused in a classroom if someone accidentally exposed their weapon and someone saw it and freaked out. It would disrupt the classroom environment and potentially create a big mess that could have been avoided in the first place if a weapon wasn't there.
Another issue I have is competence to carry the weapon at all. There is no psychological evaluation for CC permitted persons. Only a criminal history is seriously looked at. There are people who can pass a CC course and be certified to carry CC that are in no way competent enough to carry a weapon at all. I have come across a couple in situations at work. THANK GOODNESS they weren't armed at the time!! It's a scary thought. I personally don't want these people to be able to legally carry on Tech campus.
Just out of curiosity, how many true shootouts (not training exercises, but real criminals with real ammo shooting back at you) have you been involved with?
I for one am AGAINST the concealed carry on campus.
A very interesting statistic that I heard once was that regular citizens (prolly even more for college stoodents) MISS their targets 80% of the time. Police are trained to qualify HITTING their targets 80% of the time.
Shooting deer in the middle of the woods with only you, the deer and a few buddies out there is alot different that having to shoot someone with possibly 12,000 stoodents on campus (obviously not in the same room, hallway,dorm, etc; but you get my drift)
I want to work this desk job that I have because that's 2 more 80% shooters out there on the streets making a difference.
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