Guess you guys aren't up yet - and didn't get the 3 AM text message. What do y'all think?
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Guess you guys aren't up yet - and didn't get the 3 AM text message. What do y'all think?
Good choice for him...not the best choice, but a good one.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
I don't understand politics, that's what I think. Is this really the best ticket democrats can come up with? Mr. Plagiarize?Originally Posted by markay714
Biden has been a pretty good foreign policy guy. That has to be why he's on the ticket. Domestically and personality-wise, he's a wanker. I guess the Dem's will love him. I don't think he brings enough gravity to the ticket to make the difference Obama thinks he will.
Last edited by tenacious_dog; 08-23-2008 at 08:11 AM.
I've already heard enough of his gaffe's to make quite a few commercials for the McCain.
All the networks are already showing Biden in a debate earlier this year talking about Obama being inexperienced and that the Presidency doesn't lend itself to on-the-job training. No doubt this will be a point of attack for McCain.
I don't think he's a good choice. Pros: foreign policy, Cons: too controversial and will probably be viewed my a lot of the country as just another yankee politician. I read he may help with the blue collar workers . . . not seeing it.
This is not a problem for me. I'm not pro-McCain (will be holding my hose), but I am definitely not in favor of selling this country down the river like Obama. I just can't see how somebody from Delaware that that does so poorly running for President himself with so many of the early primaries in New England can help a ticket. Iin this case, this is an excellent thing. Good choice, Senator Obama.
Biden is not a good choice for BHO...his selection will piss off the HRC supporters (9500 votes versus 18000000) and he's as liberal as they come. This is a very left ticket.
I'm an asshole! What's your excuse?
Is there a problem?
Just curious, who do you think would have been a better choice?
In terms of "leftness," how would you say this stacks up against Kerry/Edwards?
I'm a Republican...I wasn't holding my nose but would have preferred Fred Thompson.
I'm an asshole! What's your excuse?
HRC, if party unity is important. Any outsiders, male or female, if BHO is really about "change," but he lacked the self-confidence to do that so he went with the consumate insider.
I'm an asshole! What's your excuse?
a big Hillary supporters opinion of the Biden pick:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08...den/#more-4349
I am not convinced that Biden’s exceptional knowledge of foreign policy will be an asset since that is a difficult attribute to convey during a campaign rally. Biden will NOT get a chance to demonstrate his knowledge in any of the typical campaign venues, so the average voter will never get to know about his background directly.
Aside from a few C-Span wonks, most Americans haven’t a clue about Biden’s experience on the Senate’s Foreign Policy and Judiciary committees.
Furthermore, to fully appreciate the depth of Biden’s knowledge, Americans would themselves have to know quite a bit about foreign policy, and — let’s face it — most Americans are sadly ignorant. They’ll be incapable of appreciating Biden’s grasp of world affairs.
Then there’s Biden’s state. Delaware has 3 electoral votes. And they always go to the Democrats. So Biden brings no electoral might to the ticket.
What’s left, then, that made Obama gravitate to Biden?
Is Barack Obama still seeking a father?
Is he still aching for the father he never had?
Does he yearn, like a little boy, for that relationship that remains alien to him?
We know he didn’t want another mother. We know he obviously has a strained relationship with his grandmother.
Psychologically, it would have been impossible for him to pick Hillary, even though she was the utterly logical choice.
Not only does Hillary have the requisite experience, she continues to demonstrate in polling that she is a formidable opponent to John McCain. Far more so than ANY of the men that Obama was considering.
This is the problem with having a candidate who, besides a lack of experience, has serious unresolved psychological issues.
Obama has proven incapable of being a John F. Kennedy.
Kennedy was mature enough, seasoned, enough, and astute enough to get beyond his personal animus towards Lyndon Johnson, and he was able to make the politically essential choice.
Kennedy was not so burdened by psychological issues that he could not make the correct political judgment.
And he knew that carrying TEXAS was essential to his victory. He saw the number of electoral votes that Lyndon Johnson would bring him, and calculated wisely.
However, Obama is not mature, not seasoned, not astute, and remains beset by psychological needs that get in the way of his better judgment.
Obama was incapable of seeing Hillary’s assets in terms of electoral votes. He didn’t factor in her victories in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, and other key electoral states. (And he probably resents her victories - especially Pennsylvania since he poured a fortune in campaign money into the state, and still couldn’t defeat her.)
For Obama, Hillary’s strengths are repellant. He cannot bear to have another strong woman in his life. He has enough of those already.
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