Come on JuBru, don't try to divert attention away from the important point here. You know exactly what I meant.

The Founding Fathers were "liberals" and the those that brought on the French Revolution (and soon thereafter Napoleon) were "liberals" using the classic definition. And there are countless other examples. But, the foundation of this nation, dating all the way back to the Founding Fathers, is one of small gov-mint, individual rights and responsibilities, free enterprise (Adam Smith), etc... and any deviation from that is liberal thinking, and in this case: socialism.