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    Investors' Real Fear: A Socialist Tsunami

    By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, October 10, 2008 4:20 PM PT
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    The Crash: "Why has the market dropped so much?" everyone asks. What is it about the specter of our first socialist president and the end of capitalism as we know it that they don't understand?

    The freeze-up of the financial system — and government's seeming inability to thaw it out — are a main concern, no doubt. But more people are also starting to look across the valley, as they say, at what's in store once this crisis passes.

    And right now it looks like the U.S., which built the mightiest, most prosperous economy the world has ever known, is about to turn its back on the free-enterprise system that made it all possible.

    It isn't only that the most anti-capitalist politician ever nominated by a major party is favored to take the White House. It's that he'll also have a filibuster-proof Congress led by politicians who are almost as liberal.

    Throw in a media establishment dedicated to the implementation of a liberal agenda, and the smothering of dissent wherever it arises, and it's no wonder panic has set in.

    What is that agenda? It starts with a tax system right out of Marx: A massive redistribution of income — from each according to his ability, to each according to his need — all in the name of "neighborliness," "patriotism," "fairness" and "justice."

    It continues with a call for a new world order that turns its back on free trade, has no problem with government controlling the means of production, imposes global taxes to support continents where our interests are negligible, signs on to climate treaties that will sap billions more in U.S. productivity and wealth, and institutes an authoritarian health care system that will strip Americans' freedoms and run up costs.

    All the while, it ensures that nothing — absolutely nothing — will be done to secure a sufficient, terror-proof supply of our economic lifeblood — oil — a resource we'll need much more of in the years ahead.

    The businesses that create jobs and generate wealth are already discounting the future based on what they know about Obama's plans to raise income, capital gains, dividend and payroll taxes, and his various other economy-crippling policies. Which helps explain why world stock markets have been so topsy-turvy.

    But don't take our word for it. One hundred economists, five Nobel winners among them, have signed a letter noting just that:

    "The prospect of such tax-rate increases in 2010 is already a drag on the economy," they wrote, noting that the potential of higher taxes in the next year or two is reducing hiring and investment.

    It was "misguided tax hikes and protectionism, enacted when the U.S. economy was weak in the early 1930s," the economists remind us, that "greatly increased the severity of the Great Depression."

    We can't afford to repeat these grave errors.

    Yet much of the electorate is determined to vote for the candidate most likely to make them. If he wins, what we consider to be a crisis in today's economy will be a routine affair in tomorrow's.

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    Re: Investors' Real Fear: A Socialist Tsunami

    Really? Hard to believe.

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    Re: Investors' Real Fear: A Socialist Tsunami

    So are they more scared of McCain or Obama?
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    “It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”

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    Re: Investors' Real Fear: A Socialist Tsunami

    I was at a swim meet today...hadn't seen this article...the topic between myself and Fortune 500 CFO: world market fear of an Obama presidency and its contribution to current market. Great minds think alike...I guess!
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    Re: Investors' Real Fear: A Socialist Tsunami

    Quote Originally Posted by CARTEK View Post
    I was at a swim meet today...hadn't seen this article...the topic between myself and Fortune 500 CFO: world market fear of an Obama presidency and its contribution to current market. Great minds think alike...I guess!
    Actually, the business community is looking forward to OBAMA being President. Will get some really good help to clean up the mess caused by GWB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg View Post
    Actually, the business community is looking forward to OBAMA being President. Will get some really good help to clean up the mess caused by GWB.

    No, it's not! Only dumbasses like you think BHO is a change agent...more Barney Frank and Harry Reid is not change...it's socialism.
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    Re: Investors' Real Fear: A Socialist Tsunami

    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg View Post
    Actually, the business community is looking forward to OBAMA being President. Will get some really good help to clean up the mess caused by GWB.
    this is incredibly, laughably dumb

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    Re: Investors' Real Fear: A Socialist Tsunami

    Consider the damned source!
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    Re: Investors' Real Fear: A Socialist Tsunami

    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg View Post
    Actually, the business community is looking forward to OBAMA being President. Will get some really good help to clean up the mess caused by GWB.
    Where does your brain come up with that dumbarse stuf ? That almost deserves a red dot. Geeeeeshhhhh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Where does your brain come up with that dumbarse stuf ? That almost deserves a red dot. Geeeeeshhhhh.
    No Tyler, Pleeeze, not the dreaded red dot of disgrace.

    Look, my friends, the poltiicans in Wasington are not going to fix this economic mess. But I do think that Obama will hire the best and the brightest economic minds available to come up with a solution that will work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg View Post
    No Tyler, Pleeeze, not the dreaded red dot of disgrace.

    Look, my friends, the poltiicans in Wasington are not going to fix this economic mess. But I do think that Obama will hire the best and the brightest economic minds available to come up with a solution that will work.
    Are you serious?

    And yes, I am being serious asking are you serious?

    Your first statement in this post says that Washington is not going to fix this economic mess, then you state that Obama is gonna recruit bright minds... He's gonna just have more Washington idiots on his staff and militant advisors.

    But, actually, Washington has to undo what it did first. It was Washington, specifically Maxine Waters, Barack Obama, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Chuck Schumer, that created this economic meltdown. Washington has to unravel the mess they caused, first, then allow the free market to take us the rest of the way.

    Obama is not capable of that kind of leadership. Is GWB? Well, he hasn't really demonstrated that he is. Is McCain? Again, the verdict is out, but of those three, I think McCain appears to be the most capable. But, one thing is sure, Obama is NOT!

    Maybe we need Ron Paul.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Are you serious?

    And yes, I am being serious asking are you serious?

    Your first statement in this post says that Washington is not going to fix this economic mess, then you state that Obama is gonna recruit bright minds... He's gonna just have more Washington idiots on his staff and militant advisors.

    But, actually, Washington has to undo what it did first. It was Washington, specifically Maxine Waters, Barack Obama, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Chuck Schumer, that created this economic meltdown. Washington has to unravel the mess they caused, first, then allow the free market to take us the rest of the way.

    Obama is not capable of that kind of leadership. Is GWB? Well, he hasn't really demonstrated that he is. Is McCain? Again, the verdict is out, but of those three, I think McCain appears to be the most capable. But, one thing is sure, Obama is NOT!

    Maybe we need Ron Paul.....
    First of all, you are wrong as to why this economic crisis developed. Have you forgotten already that GWB and his fellow republicans controlled the government from 2000 to 2006, and that is when easy money and lack of regulation caused the housing boom and high economic growth. Don't you remember Tyler stating how great the economy was doing thanks to GWB and his fellow republicans.

    The reason the economy was doing so well doing that period is because of cheap money, massive federal deficits, and piss-poor regulation on Wall Street. Wall street came up with this "smart" idea to sell mortgages in tiny, tiny pieces to investors, to "securitized" mortgages. This they did and they then sold those pieces of paper to investors around the world as A+ paper. The demand was so great for this paper that mortgage brokers would give a mortgage to anyone who asked for one, no credit check needed. You need a $500,000 no money down mortgage. No problem. The real estate agents didn't care because they got their 7% commission. The home builders didn't care because they were selling new homes like hot cakes. The banks didn't care because they were making big money selling their "A+" mortgage securities around the world. It was one HUGE financial fraud and the Republicans were controlling government when it happened. Now that "A+" paper is nearly worthless because nobody knows its real worth and nobody wants to buy it. The problem is that the banks have run out of capital and can't lend money to good credit risks who need to borrow to run their companies. Don't try to blame this on the democrats because that dog won't hunt.

    McCain's judgment on economic matters is piss-poor and he would undoubtedly appoint lack-luster republicans hacks to important political positions. Probably the economic mess would get worst under McCain instead of better. He certainly has NOT been running his campaign very well, has he? He is, as Cratek would put it, a loser.

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    Re: Investors' Real Fear: A Socialist Tsunami

    Bill Clinton has even said the DEMOCRATS are to blame for this mess...but since he is no longer the liberal messiah his words have no meaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CARTEK View Post
    Bill Clinton has even said the DEMOCRATS are to blame for this mess...but since he is no longer the liberal messiah his words have no meaning.
    That's funny. Poor Bill Clinton. Notice how he avoids taking any personal responsiblity but blames it on "the democrats".

    How about a link?

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    Re: Investors' Real Fear: A Socialist Tsunami

    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg View Post
    First of all, you are wrong as to why this economic crisis developed. Have you forgotten already that GWB and his fellow republicans controlled the government from 2000 to 2006, and that is when easy money and lack of regulation caused the housing boom and high economic growth. Don't you remember Tyler stating how great the economy was doing thanks to GWB and his fellow republicans.

    The reason the economy was doing so well doing that period is because of cheap money, massive federal deficits, and piss-poor regulation on Wall Street. Wall street came up with this "smart" idea to sell mortgages in tiny, tiny pieces to investors, to "securitized" mortgages. This they did and they then sold those pieces of paper to investors around the world as A+ paper. The demand was so great for this paper that mortgage brokers would give a mortgage to anyone who asked for one, no credit check needed. You need a $500,000 no money down mortgage. No problem. The real estate agents didn't care because they got their 7% commission. The home builders didn't care because they were selling new homes like hot cakes. The banks didn't care because they were making big money selling their "A+" mortgage securities around the world. It was one HUGE financial fraud and the Republicans were controlling government when it happened. Now that "A+" paper is nearly worthless because nobody knows its real worth and nobody wants to buy it. The problem is that the banks have run out of capital and can't lend money to good credit risks who need to borrow to run their companies. Don't try to blame this on the democrats because that dog won't hunt.

    McCain's judgment on economic matters is piss-poor and he would undoubtedly appoint lack-luster republicans hacks to important political positions. Probably the economic mess would get worst under McCain instead of better. He certainly has NOT been running his campaign very well, has he? He is, as Cratek would put it, a loser.
    Another "Forrest Gump" post by SaltyGump. Your ignorance and over the top hatred of Bush/Republicans has removed any capability of you giving a reality based, minutely intelligent opinion on this subject.

    1. Root cause of the issue = "affordable housing". A Democrat objective. Look up the CRA. It's on public record. See the post of theAndrew Cuomo news conference. Any Reublican who fought against it was labelled "racist". It was this REGULATION that put this whole thing in motion. Only a lying, contrarian POS like you would try say otherwise.

    2. Who set up the bundling of the sub-prime mortgages. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, both led by former Clinton administration people.

    3 Having a majority in either house does not mean "control". If you think that either party is completely on the same page about each issue, you are even bigger of an idiot than I thoughtt you were (which I thibk you are a pretty big idiot BTW).

    4. Republicans repeatedly tried to get oversight of 2XFM. It's on public record. Who blocked it? Democrats. It's on public record. Why didn't more Republicans get on board? The recommendations included adding yet another administratrion to the government as well as additional regulations which is anti-Rebublican by nature. Should they have done more? Yes. Would they have been labelled as racist and against lower income people for doing so? Yes. Were the people (Democrats) who were receiving the highest amount of donations from this industry (Franks, Dodd, Obama, etc.) saying there were no problems in any of this from 200-2006. Yes. It's on public record.

    5. As far as banks and other lending institutions, I haven't seen a single regulation that would have prevented this vrisis other than stopping the actions caused by the CRA and the actions of 2XFM promoting the bundling/selling of the sub-prime mortgages. The regulations proposed bty Republicans would have at least limited the effect because it might have stopped additional loans from being made.
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