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This just will not go away. Where there's smoke, is there fire in this case. Look who's stirring it up this time. Ex-Presidential candidate and black man Alan Keyes .
'Constitutional crisis' looms over Obama's birth location
Alan Keyes suit warns America may see 'usurper' in Oval Office
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=80931
Where there is smoke, there is usually someone smoking something.
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
This could have all ended with a document. I would love to know the reason for not submitting one.
I SUPPORT......Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Your pursuit of happiness RIGHT to smoke anything you care to smoke, whenever you wish to do so...... As long as your personal behavior does not result in any specific harm to others.
Smoke 'em if you got 'em! :icon_wink:
Cheers and good night.
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said...... But I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
I haven't been following this situation, but it is my understanding that if you are born to a US citizen it doesn't matter where you are born, you are a citizen by birth. I don't believe the Constitutional distinction is basically naturalized versus citizen by birth. Obama is a citizen by birth, period.
If it were that simple there would be no issue here.
You analysis is flawed...it ain't this cut and dried.
I'm an asshole! What's your excuse?
While that sounds reasonable it doesn't follow that if illegal aliens give birth in this country, the offspring are natural born citizens. I beleive that they are, but I may be wrong. I do see your point in that conceivably an expectant couple could be vacationing out of the country and have a child. But why would a person illegally in the country give birth and that child be a native born American? Doesn't add up but I'm sure it's not that simple.
http://www.americasright.com/2008/08...a-federal.html
An article that explains one of the lawsuits and the reasons about the U.S. citizenship status of his mother.
"The laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.
Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed "natural born," that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama's registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.
The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama's half-sister."
The fact that there are attorneys willing to pursue this does not make the issue legitimate. In case you hvaen't noticed, it is not that difficult to file a meritless case in our judicial system, or even to win it (i.e., the "coffee lady" that won a judgment against McDonald's for serving her hot coffee).http://www.americasright.com/2008/08...a-federal.html
An article that explains one of the lawsuits and the reasons about the U.S. citizenship status of his mother.
"The laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.
The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama's half-sister."
Please read my post. If it was simple a judge drops the case and it is over. Why is anyone even looking at it? I don't think anything will ever come of it. Since you are the authority, please post your link to say that you are correct.
Who is looking at it besides bloggers and a handful of reporters? Somebody has to "look at" any petition that is filed in court, regardless of its merit. Petitions on this issue have been submitted and dismissed in courts all over the country. That is to say, several judges have dropped the case, but petitions continue to be filed in various jurisdictions. That just proves the accessibility of the judicial system, not the merits of the petition.
http://www.americasright.com/2008/08...a-federal.html
An article that explains one of the lawsuits and the reasons about the U.S. citizenship status of his mother.
"The laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.
The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama's half-sister."
I don't like the requirement that a candidate has to be natural born.. That cuts out those of us who were born via C-section
Okay, I've read a little on this. There doesn't seem to be legitimate contention anymore that he was, in fact, born in Hawai'i. The claims seem to center on what effect, if any, his supposed "dual citizenship" status may have been when he lived in Indonesia. As neither Indonesia nor the US acknowledge dual citizenship, he would have had to renounce one or the other. As he never renounced allegiance to the US, nor did he ever swear an oath of allegiance to Indonesia when he came of legal age, his US citizenship status would have never changed.
Talk about grasping at straws. At least the Gore-lovers had something of a case when they argued that Gore was the "rightful" winner of the 2000 election. "Rightful," maybe, but not "legal."
Any port in a storm, honey! :icon_wink:
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