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    Not An Excuse, Just The Truth

    To all the people that don't truly understand what is going with the basketball team, I will put in terms you will understand.

    Think of basketball as football

    You put in your offensive and defensive schemes in the off-season and spring workouts with your starting quarterback(Jamel White) and back up quarter back (J C Clarke). Both those players get all the reps at the quarterback position-the most important position on the field. Your third string and walk-on quarterback (J.Loe) barely gets any reps because you feel you have two quarterbacks who will take the share of duties. Your best player is your returning wide reciever (Kyle Gibson) and he's looking great at that position, the starting quarterback and him have developed great chemistry, they have great timing on the routes and throws. You also have a new set of wide receivers (Olu, Jamel Guyton, Magnum), tight end (David Jackson) and running back (Kenny Cooper) and offensive line (Oliverson, B.Gibson, A.Rogers).

    The team is looking great in preseason workout, everyone knows their roles and you are getting ready for the season. As you are getting your starting quarterback to exihibit leadership skills and handing him the reins to the team, your starting and back up quarterbacks (J C Clarke and Jamel White) get into a situation where you as a coach have to make a statement on how your team will perform on and off the field. You suspend both your starting and back up quarter back just weeks before the first game. Now your all star wide receiver who has never played quarterback competitively now has to play quarterback, your walk on quarter back is now thrust into playing when your plans for were to hold the clipboard and give the quarter back signs from the sideline. You have to make a decision, do you now install a whole new offensive and defensive system with only weeks left before the first game or do you stay with your old system and hope everyone can adapt to new roles. Because now you are not going to be throwing the ball as much because your quarterback is not capable of throwing pinpoint passes, so the wide receivers have to run the ball out of the backfield more often than you planned and you have to settle for short distance passes. The exchange between your center and new quarterback/wide receiver (K.Gibson) is not good and results in a lot of mis-snaps. The handoffs between your quarterback and running backs are resulting in fumbles. One of your offensive line-men has to play some running back position which also results in some fumbles. Your wide recievers are dropping badly thrown and times passes. Your offensive line is not in sync with your quarterback which results in a lot of penalties for offsides calls. You try to help the situation by bringing in a high school quarterback who has been out of school a year because other schools passed on him, its gonna take him a while to get used to the college game and a longer time to learn your system. Most of your big name players haven't played in a year and the chemistry they develop in practice the year before is out of the door because the quarterback that they practiced with for the past year is gone from the program which makes their transition a lot worse, even worse, one of your most highly touted recruit and wide recievers is making the transition from the high school game to the college game and if that's not enough, he was mostly a blocking tight end in high school and must now make the transition to a pass catching wide reciever (Olu).

    You inherited a program that has been down in the dumps for a while, not just on the athletic front, but on the administration front, the culture of the team was terrible, the attitude was a losing attitiude, and some of the kids you inherited did not belong in a institution like Louisiana Tech University. You are doing your best to re-invent the image of team and it culture. Your team is going through some early bumps and bruises because of this quarterback situation, but you have faith that your program and team will be better at the end of the year than the beginning of the year. I mean, your team is not the New England Patriots, but the Patriots are not the same without Tom Brady and you don't even have Matt Cassell, you have Ryan Leaf. You are practicing patience, but can the alums and so called supporters practice the same????

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    Re: Not An Excuse, Just The Truth

    No. It sucks that our two pgs aren't playing, but losing a pg is not as bad as losing a qb. Let's not try and make that our only problem.

    Our problem: we play with no passion and we play no defense. We run around like a street team that has been told we are very talented.

    To our bball team: you guys have done a great job on showing the world what OVERRATED is. Get your act together. The talent is there but no intensity or passion.

    And please don't start calling us "so called" supporters. We won 6 games last year and were told "it is all about next year." Well next year is now and we blow.

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    Re: Not An Excuse, Just The Truth

    Quote Originally Posted by dascoop View Post
    You inherited a program that has been down in the dumps for a while, not just on the athletic front, but on the administration front, the culture of the team was terrible, the attitude was a losing attitiude, and some of the kids you inherited did not belong in a institution like Louisiana Tech University. You are doing your best to re-invent the image of team and it culture.
    please do not spin this as worse than it really was. it was just two years ago that we were playing with an nba post player who led college basketball in rebounding for three straight years! the cupboard may have been pretty bare when rupp took over, but it's not like it'd been bare for a long time. richard was very competitive in the wac until the very end.
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    Re: Not An Excuse, Just The Truth

    No offense dascoop... but all that reasoning is nothing but an excuse. With the talent and height on this team, the bottom line is we shouldn't be struggling with Grambling and then losing to a D2 Seattle and a very bad W. Carolina. If it was Gonzaga and N. Carolina, then yeah, your argument carries weight.

    But this is the equivalent of West Monroe H.S. going overtime with Calvin H.S. then losing to Cedar Creek H.S. and Downsville H.S.

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    Re: Not An Excuse, Just The Truth

    Maybe we should try yelling GAT-TA GAY-TA GAY-TA at the basketball team!!!!

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    Re: Not An Excuse, Just The Truth

    you are correct; losing a pg is not the same as losing a QB; it is worse; if you have noone that can handle the ball, the other team can pressure you and you cant even move the ball into the frontcourt, much less score. until tech shows it can handle it, i would press us full court for forty minutes if i coached against us.

    you can ALWAYS put a RB at QB and at least run the ball.

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    Re: Not An Excuse, Just The Truth

    I hope the basketball team reads some of this stuff.

    They are a JOKE. And emberassment to Tech. They are plenty good enough to beat these teams. They all think that they are the best players on the team. PULL YOUR HEAD OUT GUYS.

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    Re: Not An Excuse, Just The Truth

    WOW!! And I thought we gave Chris Long a hard time over on the Techster forum!! While I'm not a big MBB fan I do support the 'Dawgs & I think that it's just gonna take some time before Coach Rupp can get the quality of players into his program & system.
    Maybe it's the basketball program(s) in general & the support ( or lack of, IMHO! ) from the administration as well. We're going through the same thing on the Techster forum except that Long's had 3 ( into his 4th ) seasons to turn things around & all we hear ( also ) is "just wait until next year!" The Ladies are almost identical in that they have the talent to beat several of the teams they play yet still manage to lose to Memphis!!
    The Dunkin' 'Dawgs should have blown out Grambling & what in the H** happened in these last 4 games I'll never understand. As I stated earlier, I don't really keep up w/our 'Dawgs that well so I'm not aware of what happened w/our original 2 PG's but if it was a disciplinary action that was warranted then I fully support Rupp ( hate to see the inmates running the asylum ). Since dascoop is comparing BB to FB then just look 200 miles south to what happened to LSU's FB season when Miles kicked Perrilloux off the team & had to go w/3 unproven QB's ( then injuries hit w/Hatch ).
    Not sure if we can right the ship before WAC play but at least give Rupp another year before we call for his head.

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    Re: Not An Excuse, Just The Truth

    Not calling for his head..
    But I think he made the mistake of bringing in a guy with a questionable background and putting all of his stock in him.

    Same thing with LSU. Les was stupid for expecting Perriloux to start this year. Everyone knew he was going to keep getting in trouble again and again. But sure enough, Perriloux was going to be the starter and Les thought it was all gonna be great. But guess what. Now they have inexperienced QB's that all blow (except Jordan kinda..he has potential)

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    Re: Not An Excuse, Just The Truth

    Quote Originally Posted by DAWG DUDE View Post
    Not calling for his head..
    But I think he made the mistake of bringing in a guy with a questionable background and putting all of his stock in him.
    Precisely! One has to wonder somewhat about Rupp's judgment. Immediately following the conclusion of the previous season, he dismissed four players that had given him everything they had game after game. We were told that they were not good enough to play in the WAC. This was Rupp "doing it the right way."

    Rupp recruited Jamel White. Something happened at a party at Karl Malone's house. Could that something have been theft? Whatever it was, it resulted in the dismissal of White and J. C. Clarke. White was a transfer from Nebraska and welcomed with acolades by Rupp. When a player transfers from one university to another, there is usally a reason and it is seldom good. In the case of White it was a character flaw.

    Rupp recruited Olu and chose to redshirt him last season because this was to be the breakout season. In the Alaska-Achorage game Olu played 3 minutes, was 0/2 FGs, 1/2 FTs and 0 RBs. In the Western Carolina game, he played 14 minutes, was 0/2 FGs, 1/2 FTs and 2 RBs. In the Seattle game he played 14 minutes, was 1/3 FGs, 0/0 FTs and 2 RBS. Now he is a sophomore in practice time and a freshman in game time this season. Is he good enough to play in the WAC? The jury is very much out on him IMHO. A guard has to score more than he has in the three games cited.

    Rupp has avoided recruiting JUCOs. He prefers to recruit high schoolers and build from the bottom up. This coincides with his definition of "doing it the right way." Yet he has four transfers from other universities that he is trying to recycle. How is this different from JUCOs except that you may have them for one more year. But you usually get a lot of baggage with a transfer and most of that baggage is usually not good.

    Cooper is an example. He left his seat on the bench and went to the locker room during one of the games in Alaska. Playground behavior--I'll just take my ball and go home if you don't do it my way." Now there is a real team player that was recruited by Rupp. Is this doing it the "right way?" Appears suspect to me.

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    Re: Not An Excuse, Just The Truth

    Wow, this basketball team seems to be in turmoil. I thought Olu was supposed to be this superstart player. I saw him play at UALR, and he just looks lost out on the floor. He just doesn't seem to have much basketball savy. I'm afraid we are in for another long season with this team. We won't even make the NIT at the rate we are going. And Kyle G seems to be getting frustrated at the way this team is playing. He is probably frustrated with having to play out of position at the PG spot.

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    Re: Not An Excuse, Just The Truth

    Maybe if we recruited good high school players and built a program rather than going all over the place looking for big program dropouts and troublemakers, we wouldn't have this problem. And how much proven head coaching and recruiting experience does Rupp have....? Why'd we hire him again? Oh yeah, weight room. Good move. We still suck as badly as we did before he came. We may actually be worse in a lot of ways.

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    Re: Not An Excuse, Just The Truth

    We hired Rupp because of the weight room? Please explain...

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    Quote Originally Posted by parisdog View Post
    We hired Rupp because of the weight room? Please explain...
    It's a "hidden" agenda ( & debatable ) that since Karl footed the bill for the remodeled weight room then we "had" to hire Rupp ( who was/is a personal/business friend of the Mailman's from his Jazz playing days ) & was Karl's personal choice as Richard's successor.

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    Re: Not An Excuse, Just The Truth

    Scoop is right. Rupp did the right thing, and it is costing us in the short term. It cracks me up how short term many of our posters think.

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