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    Re: Greg Maddux to Retire on Monday

    Two of my favorite Maddux stories:

    Marquis Grissom once said that Maddux told him during a game to play a few steps deeper in right field when Gary Sheffield came up because he was going to make him hit a deep liner to the track. The next inning, Sheffield came up and hit a hard drive to right, and Grissom was standing there, waiting for a ball that would have normally gone over his head.

    Can't remember who said it, but:

    Give Maddux a baseball 60 feet, 6 inches from an exit sign and tell him to hit it. He'll ask if you want him to hit the E, X, I, or T.

    The strike zone could be 4 feet by 4 feet or 4 inches by 4 inches and it wouldn't change a thing about Maddux.

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    Re: Greg Maddux to Retire on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by TulsaDawg View Post
    I really wasn't comparing Maddux to Gibson. I liked em both. Just saying that Maddux did get the outside of the plate, but not the high strike. Yeah, Maddux did have to contend with facing a bunch of players on steroids and a league that condoned it for the sake of the HR.
    I was concurring with you and pointing out to GLM that Maddux had some things to deal with that Bob and crew didnt. I love watching the old film of Bob. That was a mean SOB, and you have to love that out of a pitcher. Maddux was a totally different style. Both are HOF'ers and great pitchers of the game.

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    Re: Greg Maddux to Retire on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by AustinDawg View Post
    About 3x as many that give a damn about Bob Gibson.

    That proves your ignorance about baseball.

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    Re: Greg Maddux to Retire on Monday

    I've talked to Maddux - in a bar in St. Louis.

    He's a dick.

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    Re: Greg Maddux to Retire on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by glm47 View Post
    I've talked to Maddux - in a bar in St. Louis.

    He's a dick.
    That's a shame. I had heard that Bradshaw was the same way, yet my brother-in-law sat next to him on a flight and they talked the entire flight. He said Bradshaw was one of the nicest guys he ever met - just a "regular" guy. Oh well, I guess you never know . . .
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    Re: Greg Maddux to Retire on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by TulsaDawg View Post
    That's a shame. I had heard that Bradshaw was the same way, yet my brother-in-law sat next to him on a flight and they talked the entire flight. He said Bradshaw was one of the nicest guys he ever met - just a "regular" guy. Oh well, I guess you never know . . .
    I kind of understand it really, he's trying to unwind after a tough day sitting in the dugout watching a game and doesn't want to be bothered. But I had to ask for an autograph for my kids.

    I really just like to jerk peoples' chains on here.

    Here's some of the reasons I think Bob Gibson is so much better than today's top pitchers - 255 complete games, 7 years of 20 or more complete games and a lifetime 2.91 ERA. A 59% winning %, 7-2 in postseason with a 1.89 ERA. The mound was lowered because of Gibson.

    For comparison, Maddux has 109 complete games and a 3.16 ERA, a 61% winning % and 11-14 in postseason with a 3.27 ERA.

    Todays' best pitchers rarely go 9 innings - give me a freaking break - bigtime wimps.

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    Re: Greg Maddux to Retire on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by glm47 View Post
    Todays' best pitchers rarely go 9 innings - give me a freaking break - bigtime wimps.
    It isn't because of them. I don't see many asking to be taken out. The game has changed.

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    Re: Greg Maddux to Retire on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by glm47 View Post
    I kind of understand it really, he's trying to unwind after a tough day sitting in the dugout watching a game and doesn't want to be bothered. But I had to ask for an autograph for my kids.

    I really just like to jerk peoples' chains on here.

    Here's some of the reasons I think Bob Gibson is so much better than today's top pitchers - 255 complete games, 7 years of 20 or more complete games and a lifetime 2.91 ERA. A 59% winning %, 7-2 in postseason with a 1.89 ERA. The mound was lowered because of Gibson.

    For comparison, Maddux has 109 complete games and a 3.16 ERA, a 61% winning % and 11-14 in postseason with a 3.27 ERA.

    Todays' best pitchers rarely go 9 innings - give me a freaking break - bigtime wimps.

    The days of pitchers pitching a complete game every week (and 4 man rotations) are long gone, I don't think it's fair to compare complete games between a pitcher who was expected to go 9 and a pitcher who can go 6 innings and have a "quality start". It's just a different era and age of left handed specialist, 7th inning guys, 8th inning guys, etc, etc.

    One interesting stat I found though, Greg Maddux is 13th all-time in Innings Pitched, Gibson is 45th. Gibson averaged 228 IP per year, Maddux 217. So while Gibson has a huge advantage in Complete games, he didn't throw that many more innings per season, and actually fewer over his career than Maddux (but Maddux played 6 more seasons).

    Doesn't really matter though, Gibson and Maddux are both in the top 5 pitchers off all-time in my opinion (along with Warren Spahn, Sandy Koufax, and Christy Mathewson). And Maddux will be a first ballot, 99% of votes Hall of Famer.

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    Re: Greg Maddux to Retire on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by glm47 View Post
    That proves your ignorance about baseball.
    Yeah, I'm sure that's the case...

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    Re: Greg Maddux to Retire on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by TulsaPup View Post
    The days of pitchers pitching a complete game every week (and 4 man rotations) are long gone, I don't think it's fair to compare complete games between a pitcher who was expected to go 9 and a pitcher who can go 6 innings and have a "quality start". It's just a different era and age of left handed specialist, 7th inning guys, 8th inning guys, etc, etc.

    One interesting stat I found though, Greg Maddux is 13th all-time in Innings Pitched, Gibson is 45th. Gibson averaged 228 IP per year, Maddux 217. So while Gibson has a huge advantage in Complete games, he didn't throw that many more innings per season, and actually fewer over his career than Maddux (but Maddux played 6 more seasons).

    Doesn't really matter though, Gibson and Maddux are both in the top 5 pitchers off all-time in my opinion (along with Warren Spahn, Sandy Koufax, and Christy Mathewson). And Maddux will be a first ballot, 99% of votes Hall of Famer.
    Maddux pitched 6 more seasons.

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    Re: Greg Maddux to Retire on Monday

    GLM is right about one thing -

    They changed the game because of Big Bob - very few players have that distinction...

    And don't let Maddux's school boy looks fool you - he was as mean as snake on the mound, just didn't have Gibson's over powering phyiscal tools -

    Maddux was a PERFECT pitching machine, much in the same way Jerry West had the perfect jump shot -

    The thing that ties the two together is that both were PITCHERS unlike Nolan who for the most part of his career was more of a dominating hurler/thrower...
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    Re: Greg Maddux to Retire on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by TulsaPup View Post
    The days of pitchers pitching a complete game every week (and 4 man rotations) are long gone, I don't think it's fair to compare complete games between a pitcher who was expected to go 9 and a pitcher who can go 6 innings and have a "quality start". It's just a different era and age of left handed specialist, 7th inning guys, 8th inning guys, etc, etc.

    One interesting stat I found though, Greg Maddux is 13th all-time in Innings Pitched, Gibson is 45th. Gibson averaged 228 IP per year, Maddux 217. So while Gibson has a huge advantage in Complete games, he didn't throw that many more innings per season, and actually fewer over his career than Maddux (but Maddux played 6 more seasons).

    Doesn't really matter though, Gibson and Maddux are both in the top 5 pitchers off all-time in my opinion (along with Warren Spahn, Sandy Koufax, and Christy Mathewson). And Maddux will be a first ballot, 99% of votes Hall of Famer.
    Quote Originally Posted by glm47 View Post
    Maddux pitched 6 more seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden View Post
    GLM is right about one thing -

    They changed the game because of Big Bob - very few players have that distinction...

    And don't let Maddux's school boy looks fool you - he was as mean as snake on the mound, just didn't have Gibson's over powering phyiscal tools -

    Maddux was a PERFECT pitching machine, much in the same way Jerry West had the perfect jump shot -

    The thing that ties the two together is that both were PITCHERS unlike Nolan who for the most part of his career was more of a dominating hurler/thrower...
    You're right, MAddux does have a mean streak. He just didn't have the stuff to back it up as emphatically as Gibby. If I'm not mistaken Gibson was offered an opportunity to join the Harlem Globetrotters after he left Creighton, where he played basketball.

    He also hit 24 home runs in his career and batted .206.

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    Re: Greg Maddux to Retire on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden View Post
    GLM is right about one thing -

    They changed the game because of Big Bob - very few players have that distinction...

    And don't let Maddux's school boy looks fool you - he was as mean as snake on the mound, just didn't have Gibson's over powering phyiscal tools -

    Maddux was a PERFECT pitching machine, much in the same way Jerry West had the perfect jump shot -

    The thing that ties the two together is that both were PITCHERS unlike Nolan who for the most part of his career was more of a dominating hurler/thrower...
    They didn't change the game because of Gibson, he was just one part of it. They changed the height of the mound because all pitchers had an advantage. In 1968 when Gibson had a 1.12 ERA, the league ERA was 2.90. When Maddux had an ERA of 1.63, the league ERA was 4.20. Carl Yastrzemski won the AL batting title at .301 in 68, the league batting average was .231, both lowest ever. Across the majors there was no offense. Gibson was great, yes. He was the best pitcher in a season that saw the best pitching numbers in history. But to say they changed the game only because of him is ridiculous. It was because of the overall state of the game. Luis Tiant, Denny McClain, and Mickey Lolich, among others, all had great years in 68, not just Gibson.

    And by the way, those of you who said Maddux had a huge strikezone, from 1963 to 68, the strikezone was armpit to bottom of the knees. Not belt to top of knees that it is now.

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    Re: Greg Maddux to Retire on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by TulsaPup View Post
    They didn't change the game because of Gibson, he was just one part of it. They changed the height of the mound because all pitchers had an advantage. In 1968 when Gibson had a 1.12 ERA, the league ERA was 2.90. When Maddux had an ERA of 1.63, the league ERA was 4.20. Carl Yastrzemski won the AL batting title at .301 in 68, the league batting average was .231, both lowest ever. Across the majors there was no offense. Gibson was great, yes. He was the best pitcher in a season that saw the best pitching numbers in history. But to say they changed the game only because of him is ridiculous. It was because of the overall state of the game. Luis Tiant, Denny McClain, and Mickey Lolich, among others, all had great years in 68, not just Gibson.

    And by the way, those of you who said Maddux had a huge strikezone, from 1963 to 68, the strikezone was armpit to bottom of the knees. Not belt to top of knees that it is now.
    don't blame Gibson because there are bunch of crappy pitchers in the majors now. Expansion has watered down the product.

    I don't watch that much baseball now but invariably it seems a starting pitcher will be cruising along and the manager will remove him in he late innings for a reliever who ends up blowing the lead. I know it probably doesn't but it seems to happen alot.

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