Gitmo...please explain

[Guisslapp]

I hope that this is the course of action they take. I've seen partial transcripts of his plan and it is really unclear if there is an actual plan in there.

I think this move basically forces someone else's hand (and I don't know who makes these calls) to decide how these people are going to be classified - prisoner of war, person charged with violation of US law, or release.

[Guisslapp]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americ...uit/index.html

[Dirtydawg]

You don't have to release them. You just have to treat them in accordance with the Geneva Convention.

Enlighten me. Did any of the Middle Eastern countries sign onto the Geneva Convention?

[Guisslapp]

Enlighten me. Did any of the Middle Eastern countries sign onto the Geneva Convention?

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebSign?...rm&id=375&ps=P

Here is a list of signatories.

[Dirtydawg]

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebSign?...rm&id=375&ps=P

Here is a list of signatories.

Thanks. I truly didn't know.

[Dwayne From Minden]

I think this is posturing on the most part - fulfilling a campaign promise -

Atleast that is what someone that I know who has made more than his fair share of trips to GITMO thinks -

The fact is NO ONE is going to want the bad ones housed their neck of the woods or returned to the terrorists - because even the other countries don't want them -

There are very few if any hold overs that are "political prisoners"....

[inudesu]

The fact is NO ONE is going to want the bad ones housed their neck of the woods or returned to the terrorists - because even the other countries don't want them -

Not being returned to where we got them is saving some of those guys lives. In a lot of cases that might be the easiest way of getting rid of them for the U.S. Can you imagine getting returned to Egypt or Saudi Arabia as a suspected terrorist? You would be reflecting longingly (if briefly) on your stay in U.S. custody.

[dawg80]

Since most of these "detainees" have been there for several years at least, they cannot be privy to useful information anymore. If you interrogate them and get them to talk, you'd probably hear: yes, Saddam Hussein aided us with money and supplies, al queda has secret headquarters in Baghdad and in Kabul, blah, blah..

to which our agent can say, sorry, old news....

Next!

Just shoot 'em all and dump their carcasses in the ocean as fish food.

[Geaux Dawgs]

Since most of these "detainees" have been there for several years at least, they cannot be privy to useful information anymore. If you interrogate them and get them to talk, you'd probably hear: yes, Saddam Hussein aided us with money and supplies, al queda has secret headquarters in Baghdad and in Kabul, blah, blah..

to which our agent can say, sorry, old news....

Next!

Just shoot 'em all and dump their carcasses in the ocean as fish food.

This is what happens when you feed them to the fish. Birds get in on it and some sort of evolution occurs!!!!!!!!!!

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Not being returned to where we got them is saving some of those guys lives. In a lot of cases that might be the easiest way of getting rid of them for the U.S. Can you imagine getting returned to Egypt or Saudi Arabia as a suspected terrorist? You would be reflecting longingly (if briefly) on your stay in U.S. custody.

I think they would be cult heros in their own countries.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

At least OBAMA is ensuring that these types are not captured from now on. They will be used, by whatever method for their info/intel, and then shot by our troops. And I'm all for that happening. It probably should have happened that way the first time.

[inudesu]

I think they would be cult heros in their own countries.

By the people maybe, but not by the governments. If the U.S. gov. hinted that someone was a danger to their own gov. and to ours, they would get "disappeared" in a heartbeat.

[saltydawg]

You are right, a slug to the head to every one of them and we wouldn't even be discussing this.

Absolutely! Folks talk about the Geneve Convention rights for POWs but these detainees were NEVER covered by the GC because they were never part of a national government but some terrorist group. Hence, summary execution by firing squad, should have been carried out.

However, now that we have taken them prisoner we have bestowed on them some legal standing in our courts.

[saltydawg]

Kind of reminds me of how some of the Viet Cong prisoners were treated. You take three of them up in the helicopter to 2000 ft. Of course, their hands are tied behind their backs. Anyway, you grab one of them and ask him (via a translator) questions about supply locations, troop numbers, chain of command, etc. Usually the first one refuses to talk. After about a minute of his refusing, you toss him out of helicopter. Naturally, the other two have seen this and so you select another to question. Man, oh, man, the second one just won't stop talking. After he has told you everything he knows, you toss him out of the helicopter too. The third one you just toss out.

Of course, this sort of thing didn't happen very often.

[personofbluecolor]

I'm not saying I believe in torture, but I have known several people who were POW's in WWII, Vietnam, and Korea, and not one of them told me anything about how WELL they were treated while in captivity. If information can be gotten from a captive who is an enemy and threat to our Country or Troops and by obtaining that information it would benefit thier wellbeing and safety or save US lives then it would be very difficult for me to say not to get that information by whatever means necessary.