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    Re: $8,000,000.00 !!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Abominable Gorilla View Post
    Brian, your analogy is a well painted picture, but I disagree about it's connection to the real world. Are there people held back? Yes. The part where we disagree is that slavery is responsible. The fact that people were held back years ago is not holding anyone back now.
    It's not just slavery. Slavery was just the worst example of the systematically inferior treatment blacks received in this country. Basically all non-white racial groups were susceptible to it, but it seems to have been stronger the darker the skin of the group. Even within ethnic groups, lighter-skinned folks tend to receive less discrimination than darker-skinned folks.

    But I digress. It was slavery, Jim Crow, and all those other legalized systems that denied black access to things in society that we take for granted. And it was not that long ago, either. My parents are in their 50s and they can remember growing up where blacks could not eat at the same restaurants (or had to eat in the kitchen), could not use the same bathrooms, could not attend the same schools, had to sit in the balcony at the movie theater, had to jump through impossible (by design) hoops to get to vote, could not enroll in 99% of colleges in their state and neaby states, and the list goes on. Even in college (in Ruston), my dad was the only white person on his work crew and there were a lot of restaurants and gas stations that they could not all receive service at (or had to get service "around back").

    Thankfully these overt, legalized, and systematic forms of oppression have largely been eliminated. But the effects of those are not going to go away overnight--or even in just 30 years. And as for the current inequities, these things build on themselves.

    Look at education, for example. The best predictor of academic achievement is the level of education of one's parent. For most of our history, blacks were denied basic education, so, as a group, they missed most of the benefits of the education boom in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Even in the latter half of the 20th century (1950s and 1960s), it was definitively demonstrated that the schools blacks were permitted to attend were inferior to schools whites attended.

    So while whites, on average, were making gains in academic achievement with each successive generation, blacks were basically standing still, as uneducated parents raised their children. As blacks have taken advantage of the educational opportunities now available to them things are slowly starting to improve, but it is going to take time to start to see generational effects.

    There is clear evidence that things are better in America than they've ever been with regard to race, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that everyone is now automatically on equal standing just because our schools are integrated and there is a black man in the White House. Our country continues to bear significant scars from centuries of overt, systematic, and inexcusable racial oppression, and while a lot of healing has taken place, we still have a long way to go.
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    Re: $8,000,000.00 !!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    It is not just about blacks and whites. There are many other inequalities not related to race which affect the opportunities one will have in their life. Tall people, on average, make more money than short people. Maybe we should do something about this inequality too.
    At 5'6", I can certainly see the utility in compensating the vertically challenged for this inequity.

    The difference, though, is quite significant. For one thing, the effect sizes of such differences as height are smaller than those observed for race, which in turn are smaller than those observed for socio-economic status. Importantly, however, the differences in SES as a function of race are QUITE significant.

    Perhaps the most important difference between the kind of inequity you note and the ones experienced by blacks is that short people were not subjected to codified, legal, and systematic denial of access to basic privileges in society. This denial of privileges was pervasive and longstanding in our society, and occurred at one time or another in every single state and territory. Certainly other types of unfair treatment have occurred, but nothing matches the breadth and scale of this particular phenomenon. The treatment of American Indians was similarly brutal, but smaller in scale. And we are still working to address the effects of their oppressive treatment as well.
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    Re: $8,000,000.00 !!!!

    While it is true that blacks were historically mistreated....it is ludicrous to hand out dolla dolla bills NOW for skin color.

    They system is ok right now...the only thing we need is more time to let old wounds heal.

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    Re: $8,000,000.00 !!!!

    This is not the first time Conyers has introduced this bill.

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    Re: $8,000,000.00 !!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg View Post
    Jesus Christ, this is just some stupid bill introduced by a piss-ant congressman who has his head stuck up his ass. Obama has nothing to do with it and I doubt that it would even pass a Committee vote. What really distrubs me is that college graduates even waste their time taking it seriously. ARRRGH!

    What is sad is that a guy in this high of a position would waste America's time and resources with this nonsense.
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    Re: $8,000,000.00 !!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_Horndawgs View Post
    While it is true that blacks were historically mistreated....it is ludicrous to hand out dolla dolla bills NOW for skin color.

    They system is ok right now...the only thing we need is more time to let old wounds heal.
    Exactly. And also "ludacris" to spend $8 mil to "research" the question. Hope this thing gets killed in committee--again.
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