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    Re: Obama's Doctor Knocks ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by teatech View Post
    You keep pointing to the Canadian and British systems but this wont be their system. It'll be an American system. Also, I love the way you guys cherry pick people/health disorders to back up your claims. Do all the cherry picking you want, simple fact is that the majority of canadians and british like their health coverage. I'm sure when the extreme minority in their countries cry out for an American type system, the movie John Q is used to discourage it.
    John Q for all of its dramatic glory is a joke. You think that kid gets a heart in a Socialist society, what a joke. Only an idiot without a brain would believe that crap. The Obama plan wont be much different than we have now, but it will just cost a whole lot more and require people to subsidize even more than we do now.

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    Re: Obama's Doctor Knocks ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by dhussdawg View Post
    John Q for all of its dramatic glory is a joke. You think that kid gets a heart in a Socialist society, what a joke. Only an idiot without a brain would believe that crap. The Obama plan wont be much different than we have now, but it will just cost a whole lot more and require people to subsidize even more than we do now.

    Exactly! It is a joke! Because it is a movie and there is no way in hell the kids gets a heart under the present system either! John Q is a direct stab to the "heart" if you will, at our present system. Capitalism is great until greed gives way to humanity! With that being said, here's one of Bill Maher's New Rules. Sure he's a comedian, but he's one of the smartest around.


    And finally, New Rule: Not everything in America has to make a profit. You know, if conservatives get to call universal healthcare "socialized medicine," I get to call private, for-profit healthcare "soulless, vampire bastards making money off human pain."

    Now, I know what you're thinking: But, Bill, the profit motive is what sustains capitalism! Yes, and our sex drive is what sustains the human species. But we don't try to f*ck EVERYTHING. It's okay for some things to remain non-profit. Just like when it comes to sexual relations, some people are off limits, like your cousin or your sister...or, if you're a leading Republican, your wife.

    Now, it wasn't that long ago that when a kid in America broke his leg, his parents took him to the local Catholic hospital, the nun stuck a thermometer in his ass, the doctor slapped some plaster on his ankle and you were done. The bill was $1.50, plus you got to keep the thermometer.

    But, like everything else that's good and noble in life, some bean-counter decided that hospitals could also be big business. So, now they're not hospitals anymore. They're Jiffy Lube's with bedpans. The more people who get sick and stay sick, the higher their profit margins. Which is why they're always pushing the Jell-O.

    Did you know that the United States is ranked 50th in the world in life-expectancy? And the 49 loser countries where they live longer than us, oh, it's hardly worth it; they may live longer, but they live shackled to the tyranny of non-profit healthcare. Here in America, you're not coughing up blood, little Bobby; you're coughing up freedom.

    The problem with President Obama's healthcare plan isn't socialism. It's capitalism. When did the profit motive become the only reason to do anything? When did that become the new patriotism? "Ask not what you could do for your country, ask what's in it for Blue Cross-Blue Shield."

    And it's not just medicine. Prisons also used to be a non-profit thing. And for good reason. Who the hell wants to own a prison? By definition, you're going to have trouble with the tenants. It is not a coincidence that we outsourced running prisons to private corporations, and then the number of prisoners in America skyrocketed. There used to be some things we just didn't do for money.

    Did you know, for example, that there was a time when being called a "war profiteer" was a bad thing? FDR said he didn't want World War II to create one millionaire. But, I'm guessing Iraq has made more than a few executives at Halliburton into billionaires.

    Halliburton sold soldiers soda for $7.50 a can! They were honoring 9/11 by charging like 7-Eleven. Which is wrong. We're Americans. We do not fight wars for money. We fight them for oil.

    And my final example of the profit motive screwing something up that used to be good when it was non-profit? TV news! You know, I heard all the news anchors this week talk about how much better the news coverage was back in Cronkite's day. And I thought, gee, if only you were in a position to do something about it.

    But, maybe they aren't. Because this isn't Cronkite's day, when delivering the news was considered a loss leader and a civic duty. Making money was the job of "The Beverly Hillbillies." And now that we have reporters moving to Alaska and hanging out with the Palin family, the news is "The Beverly Hillbillies."

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    Re: Obama's Doctor Knocks ObamaCare

    yay for claims you (nor Maher) can back up with facts!


    profit has driven EVERYTHING known to what it is.

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    Re: Obama's Doctor Knocks ObamaCare

    [quote=Rus-La;780057]yay for claims you (nor Maher) can back up with facts!


    profit has driven EVERYTHING known to what it is.[/
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    And if you read the damn article you'd know that it is not always good.

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    Re: Obama's Doctor Knocks ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by teatech View Post
    Exactly! It is a joke! Because it is a movie and there is no way in hell the kids gets a heart under the present system either! John Q is a direct stab to the "heart" if you will, at our present system. Capitalism is great until greed gives way to humanity! With that being said, here's one of Bill Maher's New Rules. Sure he's a comedian, but he's one of the smartest around.

    Getting your facts from Bill Maher - YOU are the joke my friend.

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    Re: Obama's Doctor Knocks ObamaCare

    Bill Maher is just another ignorant liberal ass driving by emotion and a bad case of diarrhea of the mouth.

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    Teatech, you need a little more practice with cognitive functioning.
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    Re: Obama's Doctor Knocks ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by teatech View Post
    Exactly! It is a joke! Because it is a movie and there is no way in hell the kids gets a heart under the present system either! John Q is a direct stab to the "heart" if you will, at our present system. Capitalism is great until greed gives way to humanity! With that being said, here's one of Bill Maher's New Rules. Sure he's a comedian, but he's one of the smartest around.


    And finally, New Rule: Not everything in America has to make a profit. You know, if conservatives get to call universal healthcare "socialized medicine," I get to call private, for-profit healthcare "soulless, vampire bastards making money off human pain."

    Now, I know what you're thinking: But, Bill, the profit motive is what sustains capitalism! Yes, and our sex drive is what sustains the human species. But we don't try to f*ck EVERYTHING. It's okay for some things to remain non-profit. Just like when it comes to sexual relations, some people are off limits, like your cousin or your sister...or, if you're a leading Republican, your wife.

    Now, it wasn't that long ago that when a kid in America broke his leg, his parents took him to the local Catholic hospital, the nun stuck a thermometer in his ass, the doctor slapped some plaster on his ankle and you were done. The bill was $1.50, plus you got to keep the thermometer.

    But, like everything else that's good and noble in life, some bean-counter decided that hospitals could also be big business. So, now they're not hospitals anymore. They're Jiffy Lube's with bedpans. The more people who get sick and stay sick, the higher their profit margins. Which is why they're always pushing the Jell-O.

    Did you know that the United States is ranked 50th in the world in life-expectancy? And the 49 loser countries where they live longer than us, oh, it's hardly worth it; they may live longer, but they live shackled to the tyranny of non-profit healthcare. Here in America, you're not coughing up blood, little Bobby; you're coughing up freedom.

    The problem with President Obama's healthcare plan isn't socialism. It's capitalism. When did the profit motive become the only reason to do anything? When did that become the new patriotism? "Ask not what you could do for your country, ask what's in it for Blue Cross-Blue Shield."

    And it's not just medicine. Prisons also used to be a non-profit thing. And for good reason. Who the hell wants to own a prison? By definition, you're going to have trouble with the tenants. It is not a coincidence that we outsourced running prisons to private corporations, and then the number of prisoners in America skyrocketed. There used to be some things we just didn't do for money.

    Did you know, for example, that there was a time when being called a "war profiteer" was a bad thing? FDR said he didn't want World War II to create one millionaire. But, I'm guessing Iraq has made more than a few executives at Halliburton into billionaires.

    Halliburton sold soldiers soda for $7.50 a can! They were honoring 9/11 by charging like 7-Eleven. Which is wrong. We're Americans. We do not fight wars for money. We fight them for oil.

    And my final example of the profit motive screwing something up that used to be good when it was non-profit? TV news! You know, I heard all the news anchors this week talk about how much better the news coverage was back in Cronkite's day. And I thought, gee, if only you were in a position to do something about it.

    But, maybe they aren't. Because this isn't Cronkite's day, when delivering the news was considered a loss leader and a civic duty. Making money was the job of "The Beverly Hillbillies." And now that we have reporters moving to Alaska and hanging out with the Palin family, the news is "The Beverly Hillbillies."

    Okay, that has been my point the whole time. Kid wont get the heart under the capital system, he definitely wont get it int he Socialist system, so why are we spinning our wheels? It wont change much, except bring some people's healthcare down and some up, possibly, and just cost a ton more.

    And anyoen that believes that companies striving for profits is a bad thing is a scary individual and sadly, we hear more idiots chiming it every day. The more I read Atlas Shrugged, the more I undersand why the book is so intriguing.

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    Re: Obama's Doctor Knocks ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by dhussdawg View Post
    Okay, that has been my point the whole time. Kid wont get the heart under the capital system, he definitely wont get it int he Socialist system, so why are we spinning our wheels? It wont change much, except bring some people's healthcare down and some up, possibly, and just cost a ton more.

    And anyoen that believes that companies striving for profits is a bad thing is a scary individual and sadly, we hear more idiots chiming it every day. The more I read Atlas Shrugged, the more I undersand why the book is so intriguing.

    I don't mind companies making profits. That is what we want them to do. The potential to make profits lead to innovativeness. However, price gouging, is not capitalism. It is evil. What the hospitals, oil companies, and Halliburton does is greedy and does harm our economic system and most of all the people! Guess what? That is exactly what the old Soviets used to say would happen. Greed would trump everything including human rights. There has to be regulation even in capitalism or brilliant businessmen like Madoff, Dick Cheney, and others who run health insurance would suck this country dry. We tried to unregulated capitalism for the last 8 years and WE ARE NOT better off for it.

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    Re: Obama's Doctor Knocks ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by teatech View Post
    We tried to unregulated capitalism for the last 8 years and WE ARE NOT better off for it.
    Hardly. Actually, more the opposite.

    http://www.heritage.org/research/regulation/bg1801.cfm
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    Re: Obama's Doctor Knocks ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Hardly. Actually, more the opposite.

    http://www.heritage.org/research/regulation/bg1801.cfm

    5 year old article.

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    Re: Obama's Doctor Knocks ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by teatech View Post
    5 year old article.
    So, is that in or out of the time span you mentioned earlier (last 8 years)?
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    Re: Obama's Doctor Knocks ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    So, is that in or out of the time span you mentioned earlier (last 8 years)?

    It is in but the country went to hell in a handbasket around about the same time the article was written. The article in not valid in describing the Bush administration.

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    Re: Obama's Doctor Knocks ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by teatech View Post
    I don't mind companies making profits. That is what we want them to do. The potential to make profits lead to innovativeness. However, price gouging, is not capitalism. It is evil. What the hospitals, oil companies, and Halliburton does is greedy and does harm our economic system and most of all the people! Guess what? That is exactly what the old Soviets used to say would happen. Greed would trump everything including human rights. There has to be regulation even in capitalism or brilliant businessmen like Madoff, Dick Cheney, and others who run health insurance would suck this country dry. We tried to unregulated capitalism for the last 8 years and WE ARE NOT better off for it.

    Have the insurance companies profit margins gone up? Honest question, I have not looked. Or is it more expensive because costs are higher?

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