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Runner on first. Batter hits a shallow pop up to center field that falls in for an apparent base hit. Runner at first (after going half way) gets thrown out at second after center fielder makes a throw for force out at second base.
Still a fielders choice?
yes, fielder's choice and no base hit for the batter.
Agreed, no doubt.Originally Posted by george
Okay, but the center fielder didn't have a "choice" on where to throw the ball.
I'm not saying it should be ruled a base hit because an out came out of the play, just curious if how to score it since it didn't meet the definition of an F.C.
Well, the same can be said about a grounder back up the middle where the SS has to dive. He only has a chance to flip the ball to the second baseman, in order to get an out. He has no chance at getting the runner at first, but it would still be called a fielder's choice.
I'm not sure that one meets the FC definition either if the fielder didn't have a "choice".
In essence, you do have a "choice". Just one of them is very stupid and would result in a hit, instead of an FC. I dont really know, but you bring up an interesting point that I have never really thought about.
I would take away the base runner's hit for being so slow.
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Per my understanding of the play, if the shortstop didn't throw the ball to second knowing he had no play at first, then it could be an error if the play at second could have been easily made. The key here is if the play could have been easily made. A hesitation made by a infielder to throw the ball, that allows a runner (or batter runner) to successfully make it to the next base, "can" be considered an error by the scorer if an out could have been made with a normal throw. It is purely subjective.
In regards to the short fly ball that lands in the ourfield, a force out will not allow the batter's hit ball to be classified as a hit. The outfielder could have thrown the ball to first base (seen it happen on a slow runner) hence still a fielder's choice.
I've scored a few games here and there, so these types of questions are great for learning the game.
Here's the definition of Fielder's Choice:
fielder's choice (abbreviated FC) is a term used to refer to a variety of plays involving an offensive player reaching a base due to the defense's attempt to put out another baserunner, or the defensive team's indifference to his advance.
Had the Center Fielder thrown to 1st Base (and failed to throw the batter out), it would have been ruled a hit.
It's up to the official scorer.. if he/she felt that the fielder had ANY chance to throw out the runner at 1st, then it should be ruled as a Fielder's Choice. If the batter-runner made the base with no real threat of being thrown out, then it should be ruled as a single and the runner was just forced out.
"the act of a fielder who handles a fair grounder and, instead of throwing to first base to put out the batter-runner, throws to another base in an attempt to put out a preceding runner."
That highlighted line and the wording is what gives me the opinion that I have. Luckily, Umpires don't have to worry about statistics. :icon_wink:
Another one. Runner on 1st, batter hits ground ball that hits the runner going to second, the runner is out but how is it scored? Is the batter credited with a hit?
Interesting. I actually saw this one happen for the third out in a game Sunday night and wondered how it would be scored. The hit ball would have clearly been a hit and a probable RBI for the batter, but the DA 3rd base coach didn't tell the kid to let the ball clear. Kid ran on contact and never saw the ball coming.
I don't have any idea how this would be or was scored.
Base hit for the batter, unassisted putout for the fielder closest to where the ball hit the runner.Interesting. I actually saw this one happen for the third out in a game Sunday night and wondered how it would be scored. The hit ball would have clearly been a hit and a probable RBI for the batter, but the DA 3rd base coach didn't tell the kid to let the ball clear. Kid ran on contact and never saw the ball coming.
I don't have any idea how this would be or was scored.
MLB - Rule 10.05(a)(5).
NCAA - Rule 10-4-b
Interesting reading on July 4 incident between Yanks and Mets.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...3/ai_n6189436/
Another thread on the scoring:
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=71084
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