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    Re: Facts about the healthcare debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoDog View Post
    Why does the USPS need to continue to raise postal rates because of falling demand?
    How much do you think it would cost to send a letter if the USPS didnt exist? Would FedEx and UPS, out of the goodness of their heart, only charge us 42 cents?

    Then why do you think the best way to provide medical coverage for uninsured people is to not have a public option, and to leave everything entirely up to private companies? Because they SURE havent been acting in OUR best interests as it is. Why leave things as they are when they're incredibly broken?

    What is the Republican plan? Deregulate the insurance industry??? Really??? Oh,and we'll "magically" lower costs too. And do it all for $600billion instead of $900billion... oh wait, except no extra people will be covered AND they still have no way to pay for it AND it makes NO ACTUAL CHANGES to the broken healthcare system.

    In other words, the Republicans want to give $600billion to the insurance companies to keep things the same, whereas Democrats want to give $900billion to the people to insure an extra 45million and try to help lower healthcare costs for EVERYONE.

    Gee... $600 billion to keep things exactly the same, or $900 billion to FIX THINGS. Hmmm.... man, thats a tough one.

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    The system doesn't look like its broken, but it does look like some people undervalue health care to the point that they do not budget for it. Maybe they should get health insurance instead of that Mercedes.
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    Re: Facts about the healthcare debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker3 View Post
    How much do you think it would cost to send a letter if the USPS didnt exist? Would FedEx and UPS, out of the goodness of their heart, only charge us 42 cents?
    This sounds like one of those BS "jobs saved" arguments.

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker3 View Post
    Then why do you think the best way to provide medical coverage for uninsured people is to not have a public option, and to leave everything entirely up to private companies? Because they SURE havent been acting in OUR best interests as it is. Why leave things as they are when they're incredibly broken?
    Yes, let's throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. The whole "system" (the envy of the world, really) is horribly broken because some cannot get the same health care as others, so let's slowly break the system for everyone, and blame the evil doctors and insurance companies (but NEVER mention the scumbag ambulance-chasing lawyers).

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker3 View Post
    What is the Republican plan? Deregulate the insurance industry??? Really??? Oh,and we'll "magically" lower costs too. And do it all for $600billion instead of $900billion... oh wait, except no extra people will be covered AND they still have no way to pay for it AND it makes NO ACTUAL CHANGES to the broken healthcare system.
    Neither party has that kind of money to spend. It is MY money, and the suggestion that anyone has to spend MY money to fix something that isn't broken because a bunch of idiot drama queens in DC think they have to do something really pisses me off. The fact that you cannot see this point just shows how blinded you are to your political "teaming" mentality.

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker3 View Post
    In other words, the Republicans want to give $600billion to the insurance companies to keep things the same, whereas Democrats want to give $900billion to the people to insure an extra 45million and try to help lower healthcare costs for EVERYONE.
    When this country goes bankrupt (and it will with the current set of idiots in charge), just how much is all the power they're spending my money to obtain going to be worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker3 View Post
    Gee... $600 billion to keep things exactly the same, or $900 billion to FIX THINGS. Hmmm.... man, thats a tough one.
    Really stupid comment. The government never FIXES anything. It was the government that "fixed" it so that the dream of buying a home was available to everyone, and look at us now.

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    Re: Facts about the healthcare debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow View Post
    The whole "system" (the envy of the world, really) is horribly broken because some cannot get the same health care as others, so let's slowly break the system for everyone, and blame the evil doctors and insurance companies (but NEVER mention the scumbag ambulance-chasing lawyers).
    The lawyers too. But our system is the envy of the world? That is HILARIOUS. That's probably one of the biggest right-wing healthcare propaganda myths yall are buying in to.

    Yes, a system where if you dont have insurance, having a baby could cost you over $20k? Yeah, everyone in Canada and Europe is just DYING to get over here and drop $20k on that when they get it for free.

    And it isnt about people getting the "same" healthcare. Thats another one of your right-wing "OH NOES SOCIALISM" myths. It's about giving people ANY healthcare and AFFORDABLE healthcare where insurance companies, hospitals, and lawyers havent jacked the prices so high up.

    When you pay an insurance company all this money, and then they can just deny you or drop you with no repuercussions, THAT is a broken system.

    Neither party has that kind of money to spend. It is MY money, and the suggestion that anyone has to spend MY money to fix something that isn't broken because a bunch of idiot drama queens in DC think they have to do something really pisses me off. The fact that you cannot see this point just shows how blinded you are to your political "teaming" mentality.
    Ok, its YOUR money. No more taxes. Screw the troops, **** the police, burn down the schools, tear down the interstates, knock over the power lines...

    You could not live without taking advantage of SOME kind of government service. Or, if you did, at least I wouldnt have to hear your mis-informed whining any more because you wouldnt be able to use the internet.

    Healthcare and insurance is broke. Just because it is fine for YOU, right now, does not mean it is fine for EVERYONE, or that it will be fine for you in the future.

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    Re: Facts about the healthcare debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker3 View Post

    Yes, a system where if you dont have insurance, having a baby could cost you over $20k?
    Sounds fair to me, although I expect the average is still a little south of 10k. You think it should be the same price as a pizza?

    You could always have the baby the old fashioned way.
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    Re: Facts about the healthcare debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker3 View Post
    When you pay an insurance company all this money, and then they can just deny you or drop you with no repuercussions, THAT is a broken system.
    People breach contracts in every field. If you are wrongfully denied coverage, you have several options - contact your state's DoIR, file a complaint in arbitration, hire a lawyer.

    If you are legally denied coverage, caveat emptor. You should read your insurance policies and understand the coverage. If you do not have enough, you should supplement.
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    Re: Facts about the healthcare debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker3 View Post
    The lawyers too. But our system is the envy of the world? That is HILARIOUS. That's probably one of the biggest right-wing healthcare propaganda myths yall are buying in to.

    Yeah, everyone in Canada and Europe is just DYING to get over here and drop $20k on that when they get it for free.

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    You sir have bought into the Lib/Dem Obamessiah's myth.

    1) American healthcare is the envy of the world. That's why they come here in droves. Especially the wealthy from all countries around the globe. America is where you get firstclass treatment and the up to date medical technology not some cattle call stay in wards medicine.

    2) People are dying in Canada and Europe because they can't get here quick enough and they can't get it for free or at all and in time in Canada and europe.

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    Re: Facts about the healthcare debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker3 View Post
    How much do you think it would cost to send a letter if the USPS didnt exist? Would FedEx and UPS, out of the goodness of their heart, only charge us 42 cents?

    Then why do you think the best way to provide medical coverage for uninsured people is to not have a public option, and to leave everything entirely up to private companies? Because they SURE havent been acting in OUR best interests as it is. Why leave things as they are when they're incredibly broken?

    What is the Republican plan? Deregulate the insurance industry??? Really??? Oh,and we'll "magically" lower costs too. And do it all for $600billion instead of $900billion... oh wait, except no extra people will be covered AND they still have no way to pay for it AND it makes NO ACTUAL CHANGES to the broken healthcare system.

    In other words, the Republicans want to give $600billion to the insurance companies to keep things the same, whereas Democrats want to give $900billion to the people to insure an extra 45million and try to help lower healthcare costs for EVERYONE.

    Gee... $600 billion to keep things exactly the same, or $900 billion to FIX THINGS. Hmmm.... man, thats a tough one.

    I've already read and heard the left wing talking points on the issue. Read a book about comparative healthcare and then come talk to me. This socialized healthcare utopia you have in your head is far, far from reality.

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    Re: Facts about the healthcare debate?

    Originally Posted by daybreaker3
    When you pay an insurance company all this money, and then they can just deny you or drop you with no repuercussions, THAT is a broken system.


    Deny what? Services or coverage?

    As is stands now, nobody can be denied medical services. Medicaid and medicare pay. The docs and hospitals are reimbursed by the govt. a percentage of costs incurred. The difference is passed on to the insurance companies, who pass it on to the policy holders. THIS is the problem that needs to be addressed immediately.

    Re: Coverage...If there weren't some "conditions" on coverage then NOBODY would purchase it until they needed it and it would then cease to be insurance (law of large numbers). As it stands now anybody and everybody is elgible for group coverage. Laws have been in place for years that guarantee group coverage (again, part of the problem the govt. created) Do you know of ANYONE who has ever gone on claim and then been dropped by their insurance provider? I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post

    The most important thing happening today!!!! they are trying to silence the media/press.

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    Re: Facts about the healthcare debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker3 View Post
    Yeah, everyone in Canada and Europe is just DYING to get over here and drop $20k on that when they get it for free.
    Just because it comes from the government doesn't make it free.

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker3 View Post
    Ok, its YOUR money. No more taxes. Screw the troops, **** the police, burn down the schools, tear down the interstates, knock over the power lines...

    You could not live without taking advantage of SOME kind of government service. Or, if you did, at least I wouldnt have to hear your mis-informed whining any more because you wouldnt be able to use the internet.
    Great logic. Kinda like saying "I don't like lima beans" means the same thing as "I am going to give up eating entirely.

    No wonder you voted for Obama.

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    Re: Facts about the healthcare debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    The most important thing happening today!!!! they are trying to silence the media/press.
    How are they trying to silence them? You keep saying this, but you have yet to show me.

    They are rebutting lies and false information, but where are they silencing the media?

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    Re: Facts about the healthcare debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker3 View Post
    How much do you think it would cost to send a letter if the USPS didnt exist? Would FedEx and UPS, out of the goodness of their heart, only charge us 42 cents?.
    Not to nitpick, but it's 44 cents now.


    Gee... $600 billion to keep things exactly the same, or $900 billion to FIX THINGS. Hmmm.... man, thats a tough one.

    Right, I trust gov-mint to "fix" things....

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    Re: Facts about the healthcare debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker3 View Post
    How are they trying to silence them? You keep saying this, but you have yet to show me.

    They are rebutting lies and false information, but where are they silencing the media?

    Another thread on this, but whitehouse.gov is asking for people to inform on those citizens who forward emails that talk negatively against the healthcare reform, or if you even talk about it in casual conversation. Send your information to flag@whitehouse.gov

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    Re: Facts about the healthcare debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by daybreaker3 View Post
    How are they trying to silence them? You keep saying this, but you have yet to show me.

    They are rebutting lies and false information, but where are they silencing the media?
    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoDog View Post
    Another thread on this, but whitehouse.gov is asking for people to inform on those citizens who forward emails that talk negatively against the healthcare reform, or if you even talk about it in casual conversation. Send your information to flag@whitehouse.gov
    The ADM also told/warned Congressmen and Senators to not use the word healthcare reform when they went back to their districts but to use the term insurance reform instead.

    Now add in the "fairness doctrine" for all forms of media, but especially talk radio which all libs and dems want to pass bad, and this is going to get nasty.

    http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...80897#poststop
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