Kinetic energy and motion are the same thing, KE is just the measurement of the energy of motion. Not all energy is motion, e.g., potential energy. Gravitational potential energy can produce motion.Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
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Strong Theist: I do not question the existence of God, I KNOW he exists.
De-facto Theist: I can't know for sure but I believe and I live on the assumption that he's there.
Weak Theist: I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God.
Pure Agnostic: God’s existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable.
Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists but I’m inclined to be skeptical.
De-facto Atheist: I can't know for sure but it's very improbable and I live under that assumption.
Strong Atheist: I am 100% sure that there is no God.
Kinetic energy and motion are the same thing, KE is just the measurement of the energy of motion. Not all energy is motion, e.g., potential energy. Gravitational potential energy can produce motion.
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
You still didn't answer the question. Where did this kinetic energy come from, did it just magically appear out of thin air oh wait there wasn't any air either. I have no idea where God came from, but I do believe that all the energy in the universe is directly attributable to God, or even more so that all the energy in the universe IS God.
If energy = God, and God = eternal, then you are saying that energy is eternal. If so where did it come from? I don't see how "God" answers the question at all. Seems like it walks you back into the same question. If Existence and God describe the same thing, the only question is what makes God different from Existence. The only difference, I bet, is that concept of God personifies Existence, and in doing so attributes the quality of a consciousness on all that exists. That step makes no sense to me.
But your question "where did kinetic energy come from".... Assuming that kinetic energy itself has not always existed, it may have come from potential energy (bond energy, gravitational potential, etc.)
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
But you are not answering my question just continuing to debate my assertion that God exists. You are not defending your position that all these energies and potential energies and matter sprang up out of nothing. Forget God for a minute and explain that one to me.
Many of these energies are inherent to things. If an object has mass, it has potential energy in various forms - gravitational potential, chemical bond energy, etc. If the object moves it also has kinetic energy, but as you know gravitational energy, alone, is enough to create motion (kinetic energy).
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
But you still do not explain where these things come from? What created this mass, energy, etc? Where did this mystical object that has so many wonderful properties come from? It just is and always has been?
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.'Albert Einstein
Yes.
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
Well how convenient, that sounds an aweful lot like how I have heard God describe. God has always existed and always will, just like the universe.
Convenient meaning "inarguable"?
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
Inarguable? Maybe. Untestable? Definitely. I think this sticks in the craw of some because all we hear about is why religion is non-scientific because it's claims can't be tested. Then, we hear that the best science has to offer as to why there is motion or where we (not we as a species, but we as a things that are living) came from is also untestable.
Oh, and for the record, I'm not necessarily compelled to believe that the universe has always been.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
That's pretty much what I was getting to, and to be clear I love science. I find a beauty in the complexity of the universe.
Well, for the questions that science is unable to answer, scientists "show their hand" by calling on "theories". This is a term used to describe a mechanism or concept that isn't absolutely proven, but has some testable evidence to it, at least in part.
I understand theories. My issue is that, if the question is unaswerable from a scientific standpoint, why is science weighing in at all? The answer is that much of popular science has adopted a form of philosophical naturalism. That's fine, but don't attempt to pass it off as science.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
The biggest problem with this argument is that you can never really argue it to a conclusion. Those who believe solely in Ccience or Christianity will believe solely in Science or Christianity no matter what evidence, theories, or alternate beliefs you throw at them. It is their religion. There are those who have jumped ship and swam to the other boat. Once on that boat, they very often will adopt the one sided beliefs on that boat. There really is not point in arguing about this topic. The best thing to do is to present your side and let everyone make their choice.
IMO, I think the more you have to explain it away, the less I want to believe anyway. Present your info, but don't tell me that believing my way is right, wrong, sound, or stupid. Okay, diving off the soapbox......back to you guys.
There will probably be a break through before too long, but likely in the questions dealing with how final is death.
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