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    Payout from BCS bowl less than last time

    Because BSU is getting an at-large instead of an automatic. 4.5 M instead of about 17 M.

    but, we still get a small cut from TCU.

    I'm thinking 200k or so.

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    Re: Payout from BCS bowl less than last time

    How is it that we get a cut from TCU? Didn't know that.

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    Re: Payout from BCS bowl less than last time

    Quote Originally Posted by NashVegasRabidK9 View Post
    How is it that we get a cut from TCU? Didn't know that.
    Non AQ conferences must split their money with all Non AQ conferences, so even Sunbelch gets Bc$ money from TCU and Boise State.

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    Re: Payout from BCS bowl less than last time

    Quote Originally Posted by FishingBack View Post
    Because BSU is getting an at-large instead of an automatic. 4.5 M instead of about 17 M.

    but, we still get a small cut from TCU.

    I'm thinking 200k or so.
    How has BSU ever gotten an automatic?

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    Re: Payout from BCS bowl less than last time

    Quote Originally Posted by T_Won View Post
    How has BSU ever gotten an automatic?
    Nevermind. I just read that a non-automatic team gets an automatic invite if they finish in the Top 12. So that means TCU is the automatic non-automatic team this year and Boise gets an at-large invite.

    So we will get about $125k from Boise's game and about $200k from TCU's game.

    If Boise was the automatic, non-automatic we would have gotten about $600k from Boise's game and nothing from TCU's game.

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    Re: Payout from BCS bowl less than last time

    The non-BC$ conferences (refuse to use non-AQ) get 9% of annual revenues every year to split...last year that was about $9.6 million. When a non-BC$ team is in the BC$, those conferences get ANOTHER 9% (last year about $19.2 million total). If TCU and Boise State both make the BC$, the non-BC$ conferences will get the 18% plus another $4.5 million (about $23.7 million using last year's numbers). The $4.5 million extra for a second BC$ team is also the same amount the BC$ conferences get added to their automatic split of about $18.3 million each.

    I will do a breakdown of how the WAC shares money in the different scenarios later today.

    Only the highest ranked non-BC$ team in the Top 12 automatically gets a bid, so Boise State can be passed over but likely will not be. If there are no changes in the Top 14 this week, the 2 at-large bids left after TCU and Florida gets theirs have to come from the pool of Boise State, either Iowa or Penn state (not both), and Virginia Tech. LSU would be ineligible as the 3rd $EC team, and though BYU might be eligible it won't be considered.

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    Re: Payout from BCS bowl less than last time

    Quote Originally Posted by T_Won View Post
    How has BSU ever gotten an automatic?
    Boise State got an automatic bid after the 2006 season for the 2007 Fiesta Bowl. Hawai'i got an automatic bid after the 2007 season for the 2008 Sugar Bowl.

    What was different then and why the Tech share would be higher this time is that the WAC has changed its distribution formula for the extra money it receives directly for a BC$ team (historically $6 million). For both of the previous BC$ years, the BC$ team got 70% with the other 30% split equally. That formula is now 50% to the BC$ team and 50% to the other 8 WAC schools...an extra $150K to each of the other 8 schools.

    I will breakdown the formula and different scenarios in my next post.

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    Re: Payout from BCS bowl less than last time

    Every year the 5 non-BC$ conferences get 9% of BC$ revenues. Last year that was about $9.2 million. That pool is split divided in half into a guaranteed share portion and performance based portion.

    First 9% ($9.6 million for the 2008 season)
    50% guaranteed share--each non-BC$ confrence receives $960K
    50% performance portion 15 shares (5-4-3-2-1) by ranking (MWC, WAC, CUSA, MAC, SBC)--WAC would get 4/15 or $1.28M
    WAC total regardless of BC$ team status if it is #2 in performance--$2,240,000 divided equally or $248,889 per school (use $250K for easier comparison)

    Next 9% when a non-BC$ conference gets a BC$ team ($9.6 million for the 2008 season)
    Conference with the BC$ team gets $6 million off the top
    Remainder ($3.6 million) divided by performance 15 shares (5-4-3-2-1) by ranking (MWC, WAC, CUSA, MAC, SBC)--WAC would get 4/15 or $960K divided equally or $106,667 per school (use $105K for easier comparison)

    WAC share per school when the BC$ team is from another conference--$250K (first 9%) + $105K (BC$ performance share) = around $355K

    The WAC now splits the extra $6 million for a WAC BC$ team off the top 50-50, half to the BC$ team ($3 million) and half to the other eight members equally ($375K).
    WAC BC$ team share--$250K (first 9%) + $3M (BC$ share) + $105K (BC$ performance share) = around $3.355M
    WAC non-BC$ team share--$250K (first 9%) + $375K (BC$ share) + $105K (BC$ performance share) = around $730K

    This year if TCU and Boise State are both in the BC$, the exta BC$ money will be closer to $14.1 million (9% + an extra $4.5 million).
    If the non-BC$ conferences still give each conference with a BC$ team $6 million off the top, that would leave $2.1 million for the performance pool.
    Conferences with BC$ teams $6 million each off the top.
    Remainder ($2.1 million) divided by performance into 15 shares (5-4-3-2-1) by ranking (MWC, WAC, CUSA, MAC, SBC)--WAC would get 4/15 or $560K divided equally or $62,222 per school (use $60K for easier comparison)

    WAC BC$ team share with 2 non-BC$ teams--$250K (first 9%) + $3M (BC$ share) + $60K (BC$ performance share) = around $3.31M
    WAC non-BC$ team share with 2 non-BC$ teams--$250K (first 9%) + $375K (BC$ share) + $60K (BC$ performance share) = around $685K

    TCU getting into the BC$ without Boise State adds about $105K for Tech. Boise State joining them would add another $330K for Tech.

    The Sun Belt you ask---here are the numbers...
    Guaranteed share of first 9%--$960K
    Performance share of first 9% (1/15)--$320K
    Performance BC$ money with 1 BC$ team (1/15)--$240K
    Perfrormance BC$ money with 2 BC$ teams (1/15)--$140K
    SBC shares with no non-BC$ teams--$1.28M split 9 ways is $142,222 per school (use $140K for comparison)
    SBC shares with 1 non-BC$ teams--$1.52M split 9 ways is $168,889 per school (use $170K for comparison)
    SBC shares with 2 non-BC$ teams--$1.42M split 9 ways is $157,778 per school (use $160K for comparison)
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    Re: Payout from BCS bowl less than last time

    Quote Originally Posted by RealityCheck View Post
    Every year the 5 non-BC$ conferences get 9% of BC$ revenues. Last year that was about $9.2 million. That pool is split divided in half into a guaranteed share portion and performance based portion.

    First 9% ($9.6 million for the 2008 season)
    50% guaranteed share--each non-BC$ confrence receives $960K
    50% performance portion 15 shares (5-4-3-2-1) by ranking (MWC, WAC, CUSA, MAC, SBC)--WAC would get 4/15 or $1.28M
    WAC total regardless of BC$ team status if it is #2 in performance--$2,240,000 divided equally or $248,889 per school (use $250K for easier comparison)

    Next 9% when a non-BC$ conference gets a BC$ team ($9.6 million for the 2008 season)
    Conference with the BC$ team gets $6 million off the top
    Remainder ($3.6 million) divided by performance 15 shares (5-4-3-2-1) by ranking (MWC, WAC, CUSA, MAC, SBC)--WAC would get 4/15 or $960K divided equally or $106,667 per school (use $105K for easier comparison)

    WAC share per school when the BC$ team is from another conference--$250K (first 9%) + $105K (BC$ performance share) = around $355K

    The WAC now splits the extra $6 million for a WAC BC$ team off the top 50-50, half to the BC$ team ($3 million) and half to the other eight members equally ($375K).
    WAC BC$ team share--$250K (first 9%) + $3M (BC$ share) + $105K (BC$ performance share) = around $3.355M
    WAC non-BC$ team share--$250K (first 9%) + $375K (BC$ share) + $105K (BC$ performance share) = around $730K

    This year if TCU and Boise State are both in the BC$, the exta BC$ money will be closer to $14.1 million (9% + an extra $4.5 million).
    If the non-BC$ conferences still give each conference with a BC$ team $6 million off the top, that would leave $2.1 million for the performance pool.
    Conferences with BC$ teams $6 million each off the top.
    Remainder ($2.1 million) divided by performance into 15 shares (5-4-3-2-1) by ranking (MWC, WAC, CUSA, MAC, SBC)--WAC would get 4/15 or $560K divided equally or $62,222 per school (use $60K for easier comparison)

    WAC BC$ team share with 2 non-BC$ teams--$250K (first 9%) + $3M (BC$ share) + $60K (BC$ performance share) = around $3.31M
    WAC non-BC$ team share with 2 non-BC$ teams--$250K (first 9%) + $375K (BC$ share) + $60K (BC$ performance share) = around $685K

    TCU getting in the BC$ with Boise State adds about $105K for Tech. Boise joining them would add another $330K for Tech.

    You left off the money spent by the WAC on a PR firm for Boise's run this year. You know they'll take that expense before distributiions (even though it really should come out of Boise's share.):icon_wink:
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    Re: Payout from BCS bowl less than last time

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgpix View Post
    You left off the money spent by the WAC on a PR firm for Boise's run this year. You know they'll take that expense before distributiions (even though it really should come out of Boise's share.):icon_wink:
    That money should come directly out of Karl Benson's paycheck....what effect did it have....zilch, nada....

    Amazing how many smilies are perfect fits for Karl Benson right about now.

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    Re: Payout from BCS bowl less than last time

    What's the difference between the $730K and $685K?

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    Re: Payout from BCS bowl less than last time

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    What's the difference between the $730K and $685K?
    about 4,000 jock straps....

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    Re: Payout from BCS bowl less than last time

    RealityCheck,

    Do you know if the payout for the Fiesta Bowl is less because 2 non-AQ teams are in it? The typical payout for the game is $17.5 Million. Where does all that go?

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    Re: Payout from BCS bowl less than last time

    Quote Originally Posted by RealityCheck View Post

    TCU getting into the BC$ without Boise State adds about $105K for Tech. Boise State joining them would add another $330K for Tech.
    So RC, I believe you're saying Tech should net $435K off this year's BCS bowl participants. Correct?


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    Re: Payout from BCS bowl less than last time

    Fiesta Bowl site says Boise and TCU will EACH get 18.3 Million.

    http://www.fiestabowl.org/index.php/...nounces_teams/

    Wouldn't that mean Boise gets $9 Million and the other WAC teams split the other $9 Million?

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