I'm alright with this, but I don't want McGwire to be the goat. Set the precident. If we aren't going to induct McGwire for steroid use, then no one else who gets caught gets in either.
The writers don't KNOW for sure, but if only 25.01% don't vote for a player because they suspect he is guilty, then he will never make the HOF.
As far as Clemens, he used to be an Astro and as an Astro, he was innocent until proven guilty. Cardinals and Cubs, of course, are guilty until proven innocent. See the difference. Clemens left the Astros so now he is guilty. However, I suspect he will still make the HOF but probably not the first few years of eligiblity.
I'm really curious how the voters will respond over the years to McGwire, Bonds, Clemens, and Bagwell who have HOF numbers. Will there be forgiveness?
JMHO, but there is a difference. Baseball has an established set of rules. The laws are an entirely difference set of rules. The discussion is not whether or not McGwire should be put under criminal investigations. The discussion is whether or not he should go into the HOF.
Do you think players who are caught with heroine should be banned from the HOF?
Okay, McGwire hit 70 HRs and Bonds hit 73.
Is that all you can do on the juice hitting a 90-95mph round fastball with a round barrel bat?
Why not more?:icon_wink:
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This guy says Bagwell was one of the game's worst offenders when it comes to steroids:
http://baseballevolution.com/asher/b...onspiracy.html
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That is up to the HOF, but all this garbage about "well, it wasnt illegal in baseball" is BS. If it is illegal in the US, it is illegal in major league baseball, since the game is played on US soil (disregarding Canada because I am not sure of their laws). Obviously, McGwire was playing baseball and using steroids on US soil, so it was illegal regardless of MLB rules.
Do you think baseball's rules supercede the countries? Wait guys, MLB said it was okay to shoot up heroine, therefore you wont get in trouble for it. No, it is the other way around.
The country's laws do not dictate rather a guy gets into the Hall of Fame, as it shouldnt. That should be up to the Hall of Fame committee and baseball to decide to forgive a man for his transgressions against the game or the country's laws.
OK, I read the article and it is full of circumstantial evidence that appears to make a compelling case leading to Jeff Bagwell. There is enough circumstantial evidence to convince some people.
Thank goodness I read the whole thing or I might have thought poorly of Jeff Bagwell. The writer of this 2004 piece made this comment in 2007. It's at the bottom of the blog.
This article has been getting far more attention in 2007 than it ever did in 2004. Back when I wrote this, people always used to get that it was a satire, a joke, a farce. But these are interesting times, and the days when this was obviously a joke seem to be over. Perhaps it is a testament to the creative genius of my 2004 self, or a testament to how absurd the steroid controversy has become, but it is wild just how reasonable this article seems now when it seemed utterly ridiculous just three years ago.
Notice that he said it was written as a satire, a joke, a farce and it seemed utterly ridiculous just three years ago. Jeff Bagwell remains "innocent" as this did not prove him guilty. However, I will be surprised if he is first time selection to the HOF. He will be fortunate to get 50% of the vote.