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You consider the Bible a book of fiction so please explain how it is #1 on your list. Spinoza's thread starter says to list books of fiction having a profound impact on your path through life. What profound impact has the Bible (any version) made on your path through life?Originally Posted by Guisslapp
1. It was the work that got me started on my philosophical journey, and, at one time, was something I believed in.
2. It has had a profound indirect impact on me through family and other people, business, government, entertainment, culture, etc.
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
Perhaps he meant KJV b/c it wasn't translated well enough.
Guys can we please not go down this path again. There are plenty of other threads where Guiss can defend his position.
I was gonna list the bible but I just cleaned my fan and didn't want it soiled again. I know what will start crap on this board and what won't.
To whom it may concern......
As the author of this thread, I have absolutelty NO objection to this thread meandering through ANY stream of thought that may serve as a tributary for any tempting river of thought(s).
Cheers.
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said...... But I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
Any man may relax before a clean fan on a hot day and enjoy its cooling breeze......
And any man may relax before a fire a cold day and enjoy its warmth......
But no man is capable of either enjoyment for long if he does not CRAP.
Sorry......
But I drink to excess each evening, and I could not resist the temptation to play with your post. :icon_wink:
Cheers.
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said...... But I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
Interesting. It is one thing to not believe the spiritual propositions put forth in the Bible, but to reject it out of hand as fiction suggests that you haven't really critically evaluated its historicity. It is actually one of the most reliable ancient texts in existence with regard to its historical documentation. Of course, only certain parts were written as history, so it is easy to build up a straw man argument and launch attacks by taking biblical texts out of their context. When it is taken at face value and based solely on its own assertions about itself, as opposed to being held up to arbitrary external standards, it is a pretty profound treatise, even if you don't buy it lock, stock, and barrel.
And it is bar none the most faithfully transmitted ancient manuscript. It seems like that alone should merit giving it some attention.
it should also be noted that "non-fiction" does not necessarily mean "true." so even if you don't believe that the bible is true, you still shouldn't call it fiction unless you believe that it was written as fiction.
i'd also like to add that anyone who could not have predicted guisslapp's selections has not spent enough time on the paw-litics board.
No Pilgrem's Progress? Only outsold by the Bible.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
How do you evaluate the historicity of a person that lived for 900+ years, the parting of seas, an ark that holds 2 of every creature, the act of making a person from a rib of another person, tower of babel, resurrection of dead people?
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
can't deny that! Cleaning feces off the fan is not a favored activity, though sometimes i can't resist. I just try, but don't always succeed, to avoid rattling the cages of the religious far right, who like to take over threads to save the souls of all us strays who believe differently. We must remember that there is no room in a free society for anyone who believes differently.:icon_wink: I'm working a karate tournament all day so I better go crap now. If interested in the tournament, that's 2/6/10 at Memorial Gym at Louisiana Tech, all day, USKA Regional Tournament. If you compete, I'll gladly register you. . .if you want to watch, we'll let you in for a reasonable admission charge. Come on out.
When I was a youngster in the '50s I read all of the Rick Brant science adventure stories.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Brant
will have to think about the next 4.......
"All roads lead to Putin" -- Thomas Jefferson
Good question. Of course, there are a lot of claims that have been made through the years by all sorts of folks for all sorts of reasons that seemed implausible. Like any other report, I believe it makes most sense to evaluate the source. If the things you CAN verify hold up to scrutiny, then it seems worth considering the plausibility--no matter how outlandish--of the claims that cannot be verified. That is how I, after categorically rejecting the Bible, Christianity, etc., eventually came to accept the Bible as a reliable document. A big step for me was in divorcing what American Christians say the Bible says from what is actually written in the Bible.
As for your examples, they certainly don't make sense when viewed through a modern worldview. That may mean that these events couldn't have happened, or it could just mean that modern worldviews are decidedly more narrow and less open than we like to think they are. When viewed through the assumptions of the Bible, they are all plausible, and were all recorded to teach a specific lesson about how the God who is revealed in the Bible wants us to view him. They certainly weren't recorded to be encyclopedic references to common occurrences. In fact, it was their uncommon nature that merited their inclusion in a record of supernatural interventions into the natural world.
I don't think you can refer to the bible as an individual book in this context.. It wasn't written that way.
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