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    Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

    The first domino in the rumored conference realignment may fall sooner than expected. High-ranking officials in the Big Ten Conference will meet tomorrow afternoon in Washington, D.C. to discuss expansion.

    "The thinking among those in touch with Big Ten officials is that the league is likely to add at least three schools -- to end up with a 14- or 16-team league."

    "Notre Dame remains Option A, though observers are flummoxed about the school's intentions because of seemingly divergent statements made by Athletic Director Jack Swarbrick." The article also mentions that the Big 10 may go after Rutgers, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse in the Big East Conference.

    http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com...on-sunday.html

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    Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?



    I've heard so many different things that, at this point, I'll believe it when I see it.

    If the BE were to get raided, what's the timetable on that effecting CUSA and then, possibly, us? Anyone have a clue?

    I sure don't.

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    Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

    When the initial shot is fired by whomever, I think the resulting fallout happens very quickly. Nobody wants to wait to see how it plays out or have their top replacement team end up going someplace else. I am guessing that it will take a month or two to finalize. Certainly no longer than three months.

    With all the talk over the past years and months, I cannot believe that a conference does not have contingency plans based on who leaves. As soon as a member announces they are going someplace else, the directors will be holding "informal" talks with the schools on the replacement lists.

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    Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

    Quote Originally Posted by SixWings View Post


    I've heard so many different things that, at this point, I'll believe it when I see it.

    If the BE were to get raided, what's the timetable on that effecting CUSA and then, possibly, us? Anyone have a clue?

    I sure don't.
    Highly likely that we will be in a different conference by calendar year-end.

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    Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

    Hopefully it's a good one!

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    Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

    In all honesty, the only feasible options worse than our current situation are the 'belt and, what, the MAC?

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    Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

    If the Big 10 takes 3 from the BE, then the BE will take 3 from CUSA-East Carolina, UCF, and Memphis.

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    Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

    Quote Originally Posted by LookingForResults View Post
    Highly likely that we will be in a different conference by calendar year-end.
    No conference moves at this point can be effective before July 1, 2011 with almost every conference requiring 12-month notice for withdrawal. Remember Tech's WAC announcement in October 1999 that didn't take effect until July 1, 2001.

    If something doesn't happen as a result of this meeting, it will likely be July 2012 before any changes go into effect since time is running out fast for 2011 changes.
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    Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

    Quote Originally Posted by DONW View Post
    If the Big 10 takes 3 from the BE, then the BE will take 3 from CUSA-East Carolina, UCF, and Memphis.
    Seems likely (like you said, IF the Big 10 takes 3 from the BE).

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    Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

    Quote Originally Posted by RealityCheck View Post
    No conference moves at this point can be effective before July 1, 2011 with almost every conference requiring 12-month notice for withdrawal.
    You're being technical, which is ok; I am referring to agreements.

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    Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

    Quote Originally Posted by DONW View Post
    If the Big 10 takes 3 from the BE, then the BE will take 3 from CUSA-East Carolina, UCF, and Memphis.

    I suspect that Temple might get a invite over ECU. Yes, they got kicked out before, but now they are making the effort in FB and are doing well. Philly appeals more to the BE than Greenville I would think (population, TV market, ease of travel, etc.). I could see them being invited back, but will not be surprised whichever one is taken.

    Memphis and UCF are locks I think at this point. Unless they believe Memphis is too renegade and the BB sanctions play into the decison.

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    Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

    Quote Originally Posted by RealityCheck View Post
    No conference moves at this point can be effective before July 1, 2011 with almost every conference requiring 12-month notice for withdrawal. Remember Tech's WAC announcement in October 1999 that didn't take effect until July 1, 2001.

    If something doesn't happen as a result of this meeting, it will likely be July 2012 before any changes go into effect since time is running out fast for 2011 changes.
    If the meeting happens later today and they reach a decision to move forward by June 30, it will put Notre Dame on the clock. That is, if they haven't already given Big 10 commish Delany their decision.

    That may be what's driving this sped up timeline. The Big 10 has been working on various scenarios for years and in the past few months came up with two options. One if ND joins, a second option if they do not. If ND quietly made their decision known to the Delany, who isn't talking, there is no need to wait any longer on where to expand.

    The other reason for the possible sped up timeline is the aftermath. As Hookdown pointed out, it should not take long for the Big East, CUSA and whatever other conferences impacted to pick up the pieces and replace the schools they lose. But it might be tight. June 30 is just a little over two months away.
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    Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

    If the BE took three, isn't there a chance that cusa might just stay at 9?
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    Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    If the meeting happens later today and they reach a decision to move forward by June 30, it will put Notre Dame on the clock. That is, if they haven't already given Big 10 commish Delany their decision.

    That may be what's driving this sped up timeline. The Big 10 has been working on various scenarios for years and in the past few months came up with two options. One if ND joins, a second option if they do not. If ND quietly made their decision known to the Delany, who isn't talking, there is no need to wait any longer on where to expand.

    The other reason for the possible sped up timeline is the aftermath. As Hookdown pointed out, it should not take long for the Big East, CUSA and whatever other conferences impacted to pick up the pieces and replace the schools they lose. But it might be tight. June 30 is just a little over two months away.
    If ND had accepted, there would be no need for this meeting and they don't have to get another conference's approval to talk to them. This meeting is most likely to let everybody know they are serious and see what schools show interest.
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    Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    If the BE took three, isn't there a chance that cusa might just stay at 9?

    It is always possible.


    The question to be is whether CUSA is happiest going back to 9 and no playoff or staying at 12 with the choices available. As far as I know, CUSA is happy with the 12 team model. If this shakes out like I think it might, CUSA could even lose more than 3.

    After the dust settles for this round, I think there is a 75% chance that we have a new home. My gut feeling is that this one is going to be a 9 on the Richter scale and the WAC will not be an attractive option after the reorg...

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