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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Actually, we're all BCS. Non-AQ is the right way to dub a conference school who doesn't have an automatic bid to a BCS bowl game.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    We are in such a better position than we were last go around. Now we have a ways to go but at least we are pointed and moving in the right direction. I know there is talk about market and other things like that but just look at our FB Coach last time. Look at what we were paying him. Look at the performance on the field and more than that the fact that it was acceptable to our Admin. Look at our facilities, no committment, no basic maintenance. Facilities = Committment. We are not where we need to be but everyday, everymonth there is progress. The lights, the locker room, the new weights, the new turf, the jumbotron, now the multi-million dollar endzone complex is about to be announced. Baseball, track, basketball facilities are much improved. More evidence of commitment, look at our scheduling. We now schedule for success instead of scheduling for income. Finally seeing past the end of our nose and realizing that success will bring income. Head coaching salary is much better. Look at what Dooley and Dykes make compared to JB3. Maybe more importantly what do our OC and DC make now compared with the JB3 era? Much improved.

    I think we are being mentioned because we are committed and engaged now. This doesn't get us in but this plus geographics at least gives us a fighting shot.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by Hummell View Post
    I think LT would do great in C-USA. What are you guys averaging in terms of attendance? Would you fall somewhere in the top half of C-USA? How are your facilities?

    Best of luck with the new coaching staff this fall and best of luck with all expansion scenario's. Sounds to me like LT is ready to make a jump.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

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    We are in such a better position than we were last go around. Now we have a ways to go but at least we are pointed and moving in the right direction. I know there is talk about market and other things like that but just look at our FB Coach last time. Look at what we were paying him. Look at the performance on the field and more than that the fact that it was acceptable to our Admin. Look at our facilities, no committment, no basic maintenance. Facilities = Committment. We are not where we need to be but everyday, everymonth there is progress. The lights, the locker room, the new weights, the new turf, the jumbotron, now the multi-million dollar endzone complex is about to be announced. Baseball, track, basketball facilities are much improved. More evidence of commitment, look at our scheduling. We now schedule for success instead of scheduling for income. Finally seeing past the end of our nose and realizing that success will bring income. Head coaching salary is much better. Look at what Dooley and Dykes make compared to JB3. Maybe more importantly what do our OC and DC make now compared with the JB3 era? Much improved.

    I think we are being mentioned because we are committed and engaged now. This doesn't get us in but this plus geographics at least gives us a fighting shot.
    Good summary!

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Paint me in as someone who thinks TV markets are a bunch of BS. If you have a solid football program and people watch you play because you play solid football, TV market rankings are a bunch of crap. What C-USA should be interested in is bringing in a competitive football program, not a TV market. I want a solid, blue-collar, football team who isn't afraid to strap it on against the big boys. If you have that, you may submit your resume' IMO, TV Markets be damned.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by Hummell View Post
    Paint me in as someone who thinks TV markets are a bunch of BS. If you have a solid football program and people watch you play because you play solid football, TV market rankings are a bunch of crap. What C-USA should be interested in is bringing in a competitive football program, not a TV market. I want a solid, blue-collar, football team who isn't afraid to strap it on against the big boys. If you have that, you may submit your resume' IMO, TV Markets be damned.
    I'd agree that TV markets are overrated. ESPN had a story on LeBron James a few weeks ago that made a very good point. In the internet age, it doesn't matter where you play. You will get exposure.

    That said I think we do provide a decent TV market. We have Shreveport, Monroe, and El Dorado as our area.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by Hummell View Post
    Paint me in as someone who thinks TV markets are a bunch of BS. If you have a solid football program and people watch you play because you play solid football, TV market rankings are a bunch of crap. What C-USA should be interested in is bringing in a competitive football program, not a TV market. I want a solid, blue-collar, football team who isn't afraid to strap it on against the big boys. If you have that, you may submit your resume' IMO, TV Markets be damned.
    I agree, but this whole (hypothetical) situation is driven by TV markets aka money, money, money.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by Allgood View Post
    I agree, but this whole (hypothetical) situation is driven by TV markets aka money, money, money.
    I think the market talk is more important for the Big 10, Big 12, SEC, ect. Those huge landgrant schools that graduate 10K a year (or whatever) really do bring HUGE chunks of those markets with them. SMU and Rice, not so much.
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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    I think the market talk is more important for the Big 10, Big 12, SEC, ect. Those huge landgrant schools that graduate 10K a year (or whatever) really do bring HUGE chunks of those markets with them. SMU and Rice, not so much.
    CUSA was exposed on the market deal when they picked UTEP. Many will argue that UTEP had Tech beaten in market size. I don't agree. Juarez doesn't count. They picked UTEP because UTEP had shown a commitment to athletics. That was it.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    cusa is hung up on market size. The last two times they considered us they ended up with teams in bigger markets, not necessarily more competive programs, just bigger markets. It is their perception that we have to overcome, not ours. Maybe the third time will be the charm. We finally got off our lethargic asses with the DD hire and hopefully we have taken enough steps to try to catch up with the rest of the college athletics business world to garner some attention. I am so ready to be in a better geographical situation where I can travel to road games and we can develop some real rivalries. Time is running out for some of us old dawgs.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by Hummell View Post
    Paint me in as someone who thinks TV markets are a bunch of BS. If you have a solid football program and people watch you play because you play solid football, TV market rankings are a bunch of crap. What C-USA should be interested in is bringing in a competitive football program, not a TV market. I want a solid, blue-collar, football team who isn't afraid to strap it on against the big boys. If you have that, you may submit your resume' IMO, TV Markets be damned.
    Hummell:

    Good to have you on our board. We've been discussing markets on this board for the last few weeks. Tech's market was an obstacle back in 2004. But maybe not this time around.

    Market really only matters if it translates into viewers and moves TV numbers. Tech has had enough national television games in the past few years to have a good idea of what type of viewership we could bring to the table.

    In fact, Tech has outperformed its market. We might bring as much if not more from a TV standpoint than some of our competition for potential CUSA openings. Some of those schools have little to no following in their larger markets. See this article.

    http://www.neworleans.com/index.php?...837&Itemid=578

    LA Tech's Sept. 30 game against Hawai'i, a game in which the Bulldogs dominated in a 27-6 win, close to a million people tuned in as the game recorded a 0.99 share on ESPN2, more viewers than Major League Baseball's AL Central race being broadcasted simultaneously on ESPN.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by oledawg66 View Post
    cusa is hung up on market size. The last two times they considered us they ended up with teams in bigger markets, not necessarily more competive programs, just bigger markets.
    UTEP (El Paso)did not have a bigger market that Sheveport, Monroe, and ElDorado combined. Those three are our markets. Our admin. just wanted everybody to think that was the reason.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by maddawg View Post
    UTEP (El Paso)did not have a bigger market that Sheveport, Monroe, and ElDorado combined. Those three are our markets. Our admin. just wanted everybody to think that was the reason.
    Plus El Paso market is more into fútbol (soccer).

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by Hummell View Post
    Paint me in as someone who thinks TV markets are a bunch of BS. If you have a solid football program and people watch you play because you play solid football, TV market rankings are a bunch of crap. What C-USA should be interested in is bringing in a competitive football program, not a TV market. I want a solid, blue-collar, football team who isn't afraid to strap it on against the big boys. If you have that, you may submit your resume' IMO, TV Markets be damned.
    I'm with you 100%.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by maddawg View Post
    UTEP (El Paso)did not have a bigger market that Sheveport, Monroe, and ElDorado combined. Those three are our markets. Our admin. just wanted everybody to think that was the reason.
    Our Administration did not sell Shreveport, Monroe, and ElDorado as our market. They didn't try. It was Joakes.

    CUSA had consistently gone after market (or what they THOUGHT was market). They took the our bottom dwellers in performance from the WAC because of their market - SMU anyone? Problem is that SMU did not and will never deliver Dallas. We outdraw SMU and have even outnumbered them in their own stadium. The TV sets they deliver are some alumni and a few others. I bet we outdraw the number of TV sets than many CUSA teams.

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