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    Uh oh...BE and the Big 12 leftovers

    Teddy Greenstein is reporting that there is "interest" from the BE for the Big 12 leftovers. Even if the BE lost 3, they could take those 4 and be at 9 without having to dip into CUSA.

    That could spell trouble for us.
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    Re: Uh oh...BE and the Big 12 leftovers

    I personnally don't think there is a snowball's chance in H3LL that both the B12 and BE fold. The remnants of both conferences will probably fight tooth and nail remain relevant and keep their AQ status until the next review. I read in one of the many articles over the last 48 hours that CU's buy out of the B12 was approx $10m. If that is multiplied by 5-7 times, then the B12 could dangle some immediate income to the best of MWC, WAC and regionally acceptable CUSA schools.

    Now a BE and B12 merger could definitely be interesting. Hard to speculate on this but I think the BE would definitely be for combining the leagues.

    For the NonAQ, I think the MWC stands a better chance at coming thru this in better shape ahead of CUSA and WAC.

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    Re: Uh oh...BE and the Big 12 leftovers

    Johnny:

    If that were to happen, we would have to hope the SEC expands and grabs four from the ACC or they add a 10th school, perhaps Memphis, to form a five-team western division.

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    Re: Uh oh...BE and the Big 12 leftovers

    CU's buy out of the B12 was approx $10m. If that is multiplied by 5-7 times, then the B12 could dangle some immediate income to the best of MWC, WAC and regionally acceptable CUSA schools.


    I also read that CU doesn't have the money to pay for that payout...

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    Re: Uh oh...BE and the Big 12 leftovers

    This is getting ridiculous...
    Texas A&M and Washington State in the same conference...
    Nebraska and Rutgers in the same conference...
    Kansas State and UConn in the same conference...

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    Re: Uh oh...BE and the Big 12 leftovers

    Quote Originally Posted by TechDynamic View Post

    I also read that CU doesn't have the money to pay for that payout...
    I read that too, the author mentioned that CU may be hoping that the B12 folds leaving no one to pay.

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    Re: Uh oh...BE and the Big 12 leftovers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    This is getting ridiculous...
    Texas A&M and Washington State in the same conference...
    Nebraska and Rutgers in the same conference...
    Kansas State and UConn in the same conference...
    Agreed. Almost as ridiculous as Hawaii, Fresno, and La Tech in the same conference

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    Re: Uh oh...BE and the Big 12 leftovers

    If 9 of 12 vote for disbanding, there is no exit fee.
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    Re: Uh oh...BE and the Big 12 leftovers

    Quote Originally Posted by oledawg66 View Post
    Agreed. Almost as ridiculous as Hawaii, Fresno, and La Tech in the same conference
    Yep, except the WAC didn't exactly choose for it to be that way...

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    Re: Uh oh...BE and the Big 12 leftovers

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    If 9 of 12 vote for disbanding, there is no exit fee.
    Iowa St
    Kansas
    Kansas St
    Baylor/Colorado
    Missouri?

    I see 3 no votes and surely Baylor or Colorado will left out of the PAC16. Does MO get asked to the new B10/1/6? Might be a like winning the lottery (short term) for ISU, KU, KSU and any other No voting school.

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    Re: Uh oh...BE and the Big 12 leftovers

    Quote Originally Posted by RGTech98 View Post
    Iowa St
    Kansas
    Kansas St
    Baylor/Colorado
    Missouri?

    I see 3 no votes and surely Baylor or Colorado will left out of the PAC16. Does MO get asked to the new B10/1/6? Might be a like winning the lottery (short term) for ISU, KU, KSU and any other No voting school.
    Missouri gone and a yea vote.

    Colorado gone and a yea vote.

    I expect Baylor's hole card is the ninth vote

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    Re: Uh oh...BE and the Big 12 leftovers

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    If 9 of 12 vote for disbanding, there is no exit fee.
    So, if 8 leave, then the remaining 4 get 80 million or 20 million each? They can call their own shots on who they want to join them.

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    Re: Uh oh...BE and the Big 12 leftovers

    Quote Originally Posted by DONW View Post
    So, if 8 leave, then the remaining 4 get 80 million or 20 million each? They can call their own shots on who they want to join them.
    not sure how it works in that case. If it's a texas school, you can bet that school would have PROFOUND pressure to vote to disband...even if it was for their detriment.

    Pac-6 all vote yes
    Mizzou and Nebraska vote yes

    ISU: definite no
    Baylor/Colorado/Texas Tech: likely all no.
    Kansas: possibly a yes if they get to go to the BE.

    If the conference disbands dispite the 4 no votes, the money wouldn't go to teams that have subsequently left for other conferences...which all of them would.

    It's seems like a pretty hairy issue.
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    Re: Uh oh...BE and the Big 12 leftovers

    Quote Originally Posted by DONW View Post
    So, if 8 leave, then the remaining 4 get 80 million or 20 million each? They can call their own shots on who they want to join them.
    Don:

    The Big 12 would need a waiver to survive, but just might be able to get it. A couple of months ago, Teddy Greenstein of the Chicago Tribune told ESPN radio that the NCAA has told the conference commissioners that any of the conferences that were gutted because of expansion could get a waiver to survive. They would need a waiver with just 4 schools. If he knows what he's doing Dan Beebe will have a contingency plan and would have already contacted the NCAA.

    However, the Chicago Tribune reported this morning they have a source telling them that the Big 10 might just invite Nebraska and stop at 12. If the Big 12 still lost 6 to the Pac 10, they would have 5 members. As I understand it, they would not need a waiver with 5 that have been together at least 5 years.

    The $70 million they would gather in exit fees could be used to pay the up front costs of starting their own TV network. They would pay those costs rather than have Fox/NewsCorp pay the costs and own half the network. That's how the Big 10 did it.

    It would not reap the type of revenue the Big 10 network would reap, but then again, the league would not have to share half the profits with a TV partner. It could be very lucrative.

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    Re: Uh oh...BE and the Big 12 leftovers

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    not sure how it works in that case. If it's a texas school, you can bet that school would have PROFOUND pressure to vote to disband...even if it was for their detriment.

    Pac-6 all vote yes
    Mizzou and Nebraska vote yes

    ISU: definite no
    Baylor/Colorado/Texas Tech: likely all no.
    Kansas: possibly a yes if they get to go to the BE.

    If the conference disbands dispite the 4 no votes, the money wouldn't go to teams that have subsequently left for other conferences...which all of them would.

    It's seems like a pretty hairy issue.
    Why would they disband if they can get 20 million each out of it. I still say those 4 teams that are left will pick the teams that they want to join them. They'll out number the teams left in the Big East.

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