Conference USA, Baylor, and LaTech

[RougeDawg]

On the other hand, should we end up in a sweet spot somewhere - or even hang with the WAC - I will continue and increase my support unceasingly.

To the Engineering Department or LTAC?

[Dawgmatic]

To the Engineering Department or LTAC?

LTAC

[RougeDawg]

LTAC

Exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if the academic donations rose if we slipped to the Sunbelt as fewer donated to LTAC. I know I have donated less to the College of Engineering as my donations to LTAC have increased.

[parialex]

Perhaps our University of Houston friend knows more about how that Troy place compares to Middle, but i don't.

Well, what I've just learned is that Troy has a really great PR department. I was going based on some very positive things I have heard about that school and an MTSU transfer I know who did nothing but badmouth his former school. Looking over the academic profiles, MTSU gets the edge, so I retract my statement. Academics is not a problem for either school.

[WWDog]

Troy Tier 3 masters
MTSU Tier 1 masters

MTSU winner

TECH Tier 3 National

TECH trumps both by a large margin

[BlueRaiderFn]

Sewanee University is a Tier 1 liberal arts college. They are not a national university. They are conisdered a more academically sound university than La Tech, or any Conf USA school. Being labled "national" does not mean you are better. The U.S. News rankings, unlike some other such lists, create a strict hierarchy of colleges and universities in their "top tier,". Rather than ranking only groups or "tiers" of schools; the individual schools' order changes significantly every year the rankings are published. The U.S News Tiers rank from Tier 1, the highest, to Tier 4, the lowest. The most important factors in the rankings are:

• Peer assessment: a survey of the institution's reputation among presidents, provosts, and deans of admission of other institutions
• Retention: six-year graduation rate and first-year student retention rate
• Student selectivity: standardized test scores of admitted students, proportion of admitted students in upper percentiles of their high-school class, and proportion of applicants accepted
• Faculty resources: average class size, faculty salary, faculty degree level, student-faculty ratio, and proportion of full-time faculty
• Financial resources: per-student spending
• Graduation rate performance: difference between expected and actual graduation rate
• Alumni giving rate

A Tier one school is a Tier one school.

[RougeDawg]

Sewanee University is a Tier 1 liberal arts college. They are not a national university. They are conisdered a more academically sound university than La Tech, or any Conf USA school. Being labled "national" does not mean you are better. The U.S. News rankings, unlike some other such lists, create a strict hierarchy of colleges and universities in their "top tier,". Rather than ranking only groups or "tiers" of schools; the individual schools' order changes significantly every year the rankings are published. The U.S News Tiers rank from Tier 1, the highest, to Tier 4, the lowest. The most important factors in the rankings are:

• Peer assessment: a survey of the institution's reputation among presidents, provosts, and deans of admission of other institutions
• Retention: six-year graduation rate and first-year student retention rate
• Student selectivity: standardized test scores of admitted students, proportion of admitted students in upper percentiles of their high-school class, and proportion of applicants accepted
• Faculty resources: average class size, faculty salary, faculty degree level, student-faculty ratio, and proportion of full-time faculty
• Financial resources: per-student spending
• Graduation rate performance: difference between expected and actual graduation rate
• Alumni giving rate

A Tier one school is a Tier one school.

O Lord, not this again. This is hands down the most entertaining off-season EVER!

[9701Dawg]

Sewanee University is a Tier 1 liberal arts college. They are not a national university. They are conisdered a more academically sound university than La Tech, or any Conf USA school.

That's right, Sewanee > Rice.

[RougeDawg]

From MTSU Admission Requirements: "GED applicants will be considered for conditional admission.". However they do require a minimum score of 45 on your GED . . . so not just anyone can be a Blue Raider.

[faninmonroe]

A Tier one school is a Tier one school.

FAIL - on multiple levels.

Boise State is a Masters Tier 1 school. I would much rather be a National Tier 3 school like Louisiana Tech.

Stanford and LSU are both National tier 1 schools. If Stanford had to operate on Lsu's level of research grants, research income, foundation asset interest and donations....well stanford would have to shut the doors.

That said, I would go nuts if we moved from a National tier 3 to the lowest national tier 1 rating.....that would be a good move up in standing.

[BlueRaiderFn]

FAIL - on multiple levels.

Boise State is a Masters Tier 1 school. I would much rather be a National Tier 3 school like Louisiana Tech.

Stanford and LSU are both National tier 1 schools. If Stanford had to operate on Lsu's level of research grants, research income, foundation asset interest and donations....well stanford would have to shut the doors.

That said, I would go nuts if we moved from a National tier 3 to the lowest national tier 1 rating.....that would be a good move up in standing.

We are discussing academics, not economics. So, not fail...

[faninmonroe]

We are discussing academics, not economics. So, not fail...

note to self...do not hire MTSU graduates.

[detltu]

Sewanee University is a Tier 1 liberal arts college. They are not a national university. They are conisdered a more academically sound university than La Tech, or any Conf USA school. Being labled "national" does not mean you are better. The U.S. News rankings, unlike some other such lists, create a strict hierarchy of colleges and universities in their "top tier,". Rather than ranking only groups or "tiers" of schools; the individual schools' order changes significantly every year the rankings are published. The U.S News Tiers rank from Tier 1, the highest, to Tier 4, the lowest. The most important factors in the rankings are:

• Peer assessment: a survey of the institution's reputation among presidents, provosts, and deans of admission of other institutions
• Retention: six-year graduation rate and first-year student retention rate
• Student selectivity: standardized test scores of admitted students, proportion of admitted students in upper percentiles of their high-school class, and proportion of applicants accepted
• Faculty resources: average class size, faculty salary, faculty degree level, student-faculty ratio, and proportion of full-time faculty
• Financial resources: per-student spending
• Graduation rate performance: difference between expected and actual graduation rate
• Alumni giving rate

A Tier one school is a Tier one school.

I have never heard of Sewanee University and I doubt they are better than Tech but there is some truth to the National University is not always better than the Masters University. There is a big difference between the top 1-2 masters university in a region and the next 50 or so. Tier 1 masters does not = Tier 1 National however and Tier 1 National is always greater than Tier 1 masters. Tier 3 National is not always greater than Tier 1 Masters however.

All that being said MTSU is not a better school than Tech and the people that matter know this.

[techfan01]

I have never heard of Sewanee University and I doubt they are better than Tech but there is some truth to the National University is not always better than the Masters University. There is a big difference between the top 1-2 masters university in a region and the next 50 or so. Tier 1 masters does not = Tier 1 National however and Tier 1 National is always greater than Tier 1 masters. Tier 3 National is not always greater than Tier 1 Masters however.

All that being said MTSU is not a better school than Tech and the people that matter know this.

Sewanee is a VERY good school.

[detltu]

Sewanee is a VERY good school.

Where is it?