Drownings in S'Port

[shreveportdawg]

If God didn't want these kids to die, he could have prevented it, right?

Apparently it was God's will to bring these individuals to heaven and use them there. That is of course if they were believers.

[Guisslapp]

Apparently it was God's will to bring these individuals to heaven and use them there. That is of course if they were believers.

Then there is nothing the parents could have done.

[techman05]

Then there is nothing the parents could have done.

shreveportdawg, you should have bailed when I did. You will get sucked into the vortex. It is kinda like arguing with Salty. Circular and endless. Don't engage, don't engage. Get back to a football thread quickly.

[rabiddawg]

God should at least get some of the blame for this.

So you believe in God after all, otherwise you wouldn't be blaming him.

[mentechsters]

So you believe in God after all, otherwise you wouldn't be blaming him.

He may not now......but one day he will.

[Guisslapp]

shreveportdawg, you should have bailed when I did. You will get sucked into the vortex. It is kinda like arguing with Salty. Circular and endless. Don't engage, don't engage. Get back to a football thread quickly.

The vortex is of your own making. Seems to me that if you want to give God credit when people's lives are spared from perilous conditions, then you also have to give him credit/blame when they are not. If you believe that he makes no mistakes, then you can just say that God thought that the death of these children and the suffering of their families would serve God's plan. That is a twisted God to me, but at least the theory is sound. If it is part of his plan, then the parents could not have done anything to prevent it (unless God is not omnipotent).

[Guisslapp]

So you believe in God after all, otherwise you wouldn't be blaming him.

Nope, just being the consistency police.

[hoppinmad]

Maybe the "Big Guy" knows that there's a part of those kids that doesn't die ....but it's still a sad reminder for everyone else that adults/parents have to be risk managers

[Cal&Ken]

The vortex is of your own making. Seems to me that if you want to give God credit when people's lives are spared from perilous conditions, then you also have to give him credit/blame when they are not. If you believe that he makes no mistakes, then you can just say that God thought that the death of these children and the suffering of their families would serve God's plan. That is a twisted God to me, but at least the theory is sound. If it is part of his plan, then the parents could not have done anything to prevent it (unless God is not omnipotent).

I think you are forgetting about man's free will- and the consequences of that.

[Guisslapp]

I think you are forgetting about man's free will- and the consequences of that.

So you are saying that God did not want for the kids to die?

[Cal&Ken]

[quote=Guisslapp;948912]So you are saying that God did not want for the kids to die?[/quote

I don't know what God wanted- I don't think anyone here could answer that question. I do know that God allows man to have free will and as such there are consequences to our actions that may have not had anything to do with the plan that God desired for us.

[Guisslapp]

I don't know what God wanted- I don't think anyone here could answer that question. I do know that God allows man to have free will and as such there are consequences to our actions that may have not had anything to do with the plan that God desired for us.

Could he have prevented them from dying if he did not want them to die?

[saltydawg]

Could he have prevented them from dying if he did not want them to die?

There are generally 2 schools of thought to this question. The first is that one's destiny is pre-determined by God, and the second is that God is letting the whole thing run on chance (although He can intervene if He so chooses).

Anyway, in an infinite universe like the one we live in, in some other Hubble's Sphere, those children are still alive and had a wonderful day on the Red River.

So you see, Guiss, God can have his cake and eat it too.

[Guisslapp]

There are generally 2 schools of thought to this question. The first is that one's destiny is pre-determined by God, and the second is that God is letting the whole thing run on chance (although He can intervene if He so chooses).

Anyway, in an infinite universe like the one we live in, in some other Hubble's Sphere, those children are still alive and had a wonderful day on the Red River.

So you see, Guiss, God can have his cake and eat it too.

The theory is that quantum superpositions undergo a collapse into a definitive state at the exact moment of quantum measurement. Thus, when the children were observed (by themselves or another observer) as drowning/being dead all other quantum superpositions ceased to exist.

[saltydawg]

The theory is that quantum superpositions undergo a collapse into a definitive state at the exact moment of quantum measurement. Thus, when the children were observed (by themselves or another observer) as drowning/being dead all other quantum superpositions ceased to exist.

In our own Hubble Space. But that theory would not hold true in the infinite number of other Hubble Spaces.

In other words, there are more than one Guiss and their existences are independent of each other. Kind of freaky, isn't it?