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We were not listed in this gigantic list unless I just missed it. Tulane, LSUcks, and Centenary were mentioned. The article is first, and the rankings are the second link.
What do you guys think? I enjoyed my time at Tech. I thought good and positive things about Tech. I was a little surprised to see we didn't make the list.
http://shine.yahoo.com/event/backtos...leges-2293942/
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/94/...eges_Rank.html
That makes absolutely no sense. Even Dillard University is on there. Are they even solvent?
Reading their criteria, it makes even less sense that we were omitted.
One of the comments on the article shines a little light on how serious to take this list:
"The best college in America isn't in Cambridge or Princeton"
maybe before you write the article you should know that Cambridge isn't located in America.
How do these ignorant people become journalists....
Harvard and MIT are in Cambridge, MA.Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Well crap. I guess USL and SLU are just better schools.
USNWR rankings come out on August 17, less than a week away... Rumor is that they will numerically rank the 3rd tier this time... That would mean ranking schools 1-195 and then listing the 4th tier as one big group... This is one advantage that Tech has over all potential C-USA replacements, and USNWR is The Bible for Rice, Tulane, SMU, and Tulsa... Pray that we don't drop... Budget cuts aren't gonna help us...
we won't be there next year....lsu will be lucky to stay tier 1.
I would assume we would rank near the bottom of Tier 3. Budget cuts are not going to help.
I think we were in a 10-way tie for the last spot in the 3rd tier, and LSU was in a 6-way tie for the last spot in the 2nd/"top" tier...
Forbes 610 America's Best Colleges Rankings Methodology
Teacher Evaluations from RateMyProfessor.com (17.5%)
It would take forever to calculate this with Forbes methodology.
[3 x (average overall quality)] - (1/average overall easiness)
Student Satisfaction from MyPlan.com (5%)
Forbes should lose all credibility for adding myplan.com satisfaction rankings because this data is not statistically significant. Nobody has ever heard of this site, and anybody can log on to vote. All of the n/a schools have less than 5 people who rated their school satisfaction on myplan.com. Tech's rating comes from a whopping sample size of 12. The Louisiana Board of Regents has graduating senior students satisfaction ratings for all schools with a ridiculously larger sample size. I imagine other states have the same data available. At least ratemyprofessor.com has a sample size in the thousands or more.
77.6% - LSU
76.9% - Tulane
75.0% - Loyola
71.4% - McNeese
64.6% - LA Tech
63.9% - Southeastern
60.0% - New Orleans
54.5% - UL-Lafayette
53.1% - LSU-Shreveport
n/a - Centenary
n/a - Northwestern
n/a - Nicholls
n/a - UL-Monroe
n/a - LSU-Alexandria
n/a - Dillard
n/a - Southern
n/a - SU-New Orleans
n/a - Grambling
Freshman-to-Sophomore Retention Rates (5%)
88% - Tulane
85% - LSU
74% - UL-Lafayette
73% - Centenary
73% - Loyola
72% - LA Tech
69% - Dillard
69% - New Orleans
69% - Northwestern
68% - McNeese
68% - Southern
67% - Nicholls
66% - UL-Monroe
64% - Southeastern
61% - LSU-Shreveport
59% - Grambling
50% - LSU-Alexandria
43% - SU-New Orleans
Median Starting Salary (7.5%)
$47,800 - Tulane
$47,200 - LSU
$45,300 - LA Tech
$42,200 - UL-Lafayette
$41,200 - New Orleans
$39,700 - McNeese
$39,500 - Northwestern
$38,400 - Loyola
$37,300 - Southeastern
n/a - Centenary
n/a - UL-Monroe
n/a - Nicholls
n/a - Dillard
n/a - Grambling
n/a - Southern
n/a - SU-New Orleans
n/a - LSU-Shreveport
n/a - LSU-Alexandria
Salary Growth Rate (7.5%)
Average percentage increase from median starting salary to median mid-career salary.
112.6% - McNeese
106.7% - Tulane
82.3% - LA Tech
79.7% - Loyola
78.2% - LSU
73.1% - New Orleans
69.4% - UL-Lafayette
68.1% - Southeastern
53.4% - Northwestern
n/a - Centenary
n/a - UL-Monroe
n/a - Nicholls
n/a - LSU-Shreveport
n/a - LSU-Alexandria
n/a - Dillard
n/a - Grambling
n/a - Southern
n/a - SU-New Orleans
Listings of Alumni in Who's Who in America (10%)
Really?
Alumni in Forbes/CCAP Corporate Officers List (5%)
Nothing like self promotion...
Four-year Debt Load for Typical Student Borrower (12.5%)
It would take too long to calculate this using Forbes methodology, and I'm not sure if I'd find all the data. Here is the average indebtedness at graduation data from collegeboard.com, which should be very comparable to or the same as the Forbes numbers.
$12,715 - LA Tech
$13,623 - New Orleans
$18,100 - Centenary
$18,118 - LSU
$18,822 - Nicholls
$18,947 - Southeastern
$21,773 - Northwestern
$22,320 - Loyola
$25,284 - Tulane
n/a - UL-Lafayette
n/a - LSU-Shreveport
n/a - McNeese
n/a - UL-Monroe
n/a - LSU-Alexandria
n/a - Dillard
n/a - Grambling
n/a - Southern
n/a - SU-New Orleans
Student Loan Default Rates (5%)
They get this data from the feds.
Actual Four-year Graduation Rate (8.75%)
Please note that LA Tech has the best 4-year graduation rate of Louisiana public schools. Most publications use the 6-year graduation rate, though.
60% - Tulane
52% - Loyola
43% - Centenary
34% - Dillard
28% - LA Tech
24% - LSU
20% - Grambling
14% - Northwestern
14% - UL-Lafayette
13% - LSU-Shreveport
10% - McNeese
10% - UL-Monroe
9% - Nicholls
8% - Southeastern
7% - New Orleans
n/a - LSU-Alexandria
n/a - Southern
n/a - SU-New Orleans
Predicted vs. Actual Four-year Graduation Rate (8.75%)
Don't know their formula for calculating this, but it's based off admissions data like ACT scores, GPA, etc. USNWR does this with the 6-year grad rate.
Student Nationally Competitive Awards (7.5%)
Wow... Where do they come up with this stuff?
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Forbes 610 America's Best Colleges Rankings
151. Tulane
323. LSU
327. Centenary
447. Loyola
479. Dillard
546. UL-Lafayette
547. Southeastern
n/a - LA Tech
n/a - Grambling
n/a - Northwestern
n/a - LSU-Shreveport
n/a - McNeese
n/a - UL-Monroe
n/a - Nicholls
n/a - New Orleans
n/a - LSU-Alexandria
n/a - Southern
n/a - SU-New Orleans
2008 rank
The ratemyprofessors factor should weigh heavily in our favor, assuming little change since 2008.
BTW, I don't think Tech has ever been ranked in the Forbes ranking. I think I remember the ULL people bragging that they were ranked in Forbes and we weren't.
Judging by these factors and how they are weighted, I don't see how ULL is ranked and we aren't.
I'm not sure why Tech isn't ranked, but I am sure that my opinion of the Forbes ranking is considerably lower than my opinion of USNews, and that's saying something. This kind of ranking for colleges is dubious in the first place, but their method is patently absurd. I also think it biases heavily toward smaller schools (other than the indebtedness issue)--graduation rates, professor rankings and retention rates especially. Using "Who's Who" rankings is just stupid. That's nothing more than a business enterprise to sell books.
Here are the 2009 rankings, but we aren't in the top 25 anymore. Ratemyprofessors.com uses a completely different formula to calculate their rankings than Forbes though.
ULL and SELA must have several Rhodes Scholars hidden in the closet somewhere..... or their alumni associations provide complementary Who's Who memberships.....
If you want to throw in the ratemyprofs rankings with the ratemyprofs methodology, Tech ranks higher than ULL in that category too... and these are the rankings that ULL throws in our face saying that USNWR has no credibility...
3.48 - LA Tech
3.43 - UL-Lafayette
We rank higher than ULL in every one of those categories with data except for retention rate, which they bested us by a meager 2%...
dewalt@forbes.com may be able to offer an explanation for this...
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