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    Re: Tea Party candidates need to distance themselves from Palin

    She 'forgot' her copy of the constitution in her wiccan prayer den.


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    Re: Tea Party candidates need to distance themselves from Palin

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Wow. This coming from someone who claims to be a Constitutional scholar.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miwSljJAzqg

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    Separation of Church and State was a "zinger" for her. She nailed him, laughed about it, and he looked like he was had.

    She couldn't recall what the 14th and 16th Amendments are, so that's not very scholarly of her.

    Then she reiterated that "Separation of Church and State" is not in the 1st Amendment and winked and smiled at the audience as her opponent poured himself a glass of water.

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    Re: Tea Party candidates need to distance themselves from Palin

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    No, I thought you were agreeing with me in your previous post. But if you watch the video, her opponent quotes the first amendment and she clearly doesn't recognize the quote.
    I think her point was "that doesn't mean 'separation of church and state.'"

    I agree with her. Doesn't the first amendment basically say that congress cannot make a law that is pro-religion or anti-religion? Liberals have used Jefferson's letter to imply that judges cannot display the Ten Commandments in their courtroom and that Nativity Scenes cannot be displayed on public land. To me, that seems to be anti-religion and unconstitutional. What do you think?

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    Re: Tea Party candidates need to distance themselves from Palin

    Quote Originally Posted by T_Won View Post
    I think her point was "that doesn't mean 'separation of church and state.'"

    I agree with her. Doesn't the first amendment basically say that congress cannot make a law that is pro-religion or anti-religion? Liberals have used Jefferson's letter to imply that judges cannot display the Ten Commandments in their courtroom and that Nativity Scenes cannot be displayed on public land. To me, that seems to be anti-religion and unconstitutional. What do you think?
    Exactly!

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    Re: Tea Party candidates need to distance themselves from Palin

    Quote Originally Posted by T_Won View Post
    I think her point was "that doesn't mean 'separation of church and state.'"

    I agree with her. Doesn't the first amendment basically say that congress cannot make a law that is pro-religion or anti-religion? Liberals have used Jefferson's letter to imply that judges cannot display the Ten Commandments in their courtroom and that Nativity Scenes cannot be displayed on public land. To me, that seems to be anti-religion and unconstitutional. What do you think?
    When he quoted the first amendment, she acted like she had never heard the quote. What some people say "separation of church and state" means is not what it traditionally means.
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    Re: Tea Party candidates need to distance themselves from Palin

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    When he quoted the first amendment, she acted like she had never heard the quote. What some people say "separation of church and state" means is not what it traditionally means.
    She wasn't paying attention. She knew the answer to her question was "No, the first amendment does not mention a separation of church and state." There was nothing he could say to get himself off the hook. She knew he was busted.

    That was her point (your second sentence). The first amendment has been corrupted by progressive politicians, liberal activists/lawyers, ACLU, liberal judges, etc... It has been so corrupted that these current law students (in the audience) laughed at her for interpreting it from it's traditional meaning point of view. :bigcry:

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    Re: Tea Party candidates need to distance themselves from Palin

    Quote Originally Posted by Yarfunkle View Post
    She 'forgot' her copy of the constitution in her wiccan prayer den.

    Obama keeps his copy of Mein Kampf in his Koran.

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    Re: Tea Party candidates need to distance themselves from Palin

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Nope, you are wrong.
    Nope nope, you are wrong.

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    Re: Tea Party candidates need to distance themselves from Palin

    Quote Originally Posted by T_Won View Post
    I think her point was "that doesn't mean 'separation of church and state.'"

    I agree with her. Doesn't the first amendment basically say that congress cannot make a law that is pro-religion or anti-religion? Liberals have used Jefferson's letter to imply that judges cannot display the Ten Commandments in their courtroom and that Nativity Scenes cannot be displayed on public land. To me, that seems to be anti-religion and unconstitutional. What do you think?
    Right. Congress can not create an official church of the United States, and they can not ban a religion either. That's it.

    Now, this truism has morphed to include state and local governments as well. That is not in the Constitution. Nowhere does it say that a city council can't pass an ordinance banning a certain religion within the city limits. Remember, as written, the Constitution explicitly states what Congress and the federal goverment can do, and also states anything not specifically stated falls to the jurisdiction of the states. Period.

    The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing and don't require idiots (i.e. atheists and liberals) trying to interpret what they wrote. They wrote what they wrote. End of story.

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    Re: Tea Party candidates need to distance themselves from Palin

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Right. Congress can not create an official church of the United States, and they can not ban a religion either. That's it.

    Now, this truism has morphed to include state and local governments as well. That is not in the Constitution. Nowhere does it say that a city council can't pass an ordinance banning a certain religion within the city limits. Remember, as written, the Constitution explicitly states what Congress and the federal goverment can do, and also states anything not specifically stated falls to the jurisdiction of the states. Period.
    That may have been true UNTIL the 14th Amendment was adopted.
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    Re: Tea Party candidates need to distance themselves from Palin

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    That may have been true UNTIL the 14th Amendment was adopted.
    The 14th Amendment didn't change the 10th Amendment though. And it (14th) specifically stated certain things the states can/can't do, leaving everything else, once again, up to the State to decide.

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    Re: Tea Party candidates need to distance themselves from Palin

    Quote Originally Posted by JuBru View Post
    The 14th Amendment didn't change the 10th Amendment though. And it (14th) specifically stated certain things the states can/can't do, leaving everything else, once again, up to the State to decide.
    True. But states sure can't prohibit someone from assembling for a religious purpose.
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    Re: Tea Party candidates need to distance themselves from Palin

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    True. But states sure can't prohibit someone from assembling for a religious purpose.
    If it is public land, apparently they can.

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    Re: Tea Party candidates need to distance themselves from Palin

    Quote Originally Posted by JuBru View Post
    If it is public land, apparently they can.
    True, but they cannot outright prohibit the assembly of a certain religion. But it is actually much more complicated than that - different rules apply for public and private lands when it comes to time/place/manner regulations and content-/viewpoint-specific regulations.
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