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    Re: ULM Students Decide Sports Activity Fees

    warhawk_dude
    12:50 PM on April 7, 2011
    I agree. This fee would especially put a huge strain on folks with a family. ULM has a huge non-traditional student population. The admins plus students need to remember not everyone has TOPS or scholarships. There a lot of people working hard to feed their kids and also trying to get an education.

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    So ULM athletics—which hasn’t had a winning football season in Malone Stadium since 1993—wants students to pay a fine—oops, I mean, fee, to continue funding the losing tradition? Sure, football isn’t the only athletic endeavor on campus but it’s by far the most costly in addition to being the worst performer.

    According to its 2011 budget, ULM must transfer $2.9 million from the Education & General fund to athletics to cover the same amount of loss incurred by that department. Football is almost always the biggest revenue-generator for a university's Athletic Dept; yet, ULM football loses $270,000; it costs $3.2 million to maintain but only makes $2.93 million in revenues. ULM isn’t alone. 106 out of the 120 FBS programs lost money in 2009 according to the NCAA. The difference is many of those 106 teams had the benefit of winning programs and repetitive post bowl game appearances around Christmas and New Years—something ULM football hasn’t, nor likely ever will enjoy. Most of them also have enrollments upward to 20,000 students or more, and average a lot more than 15,000 fans in their stadiums during Autumn Saturdays.

    While academics must certainly be the focus, universities need solid athletic programs as well. Unfortunately ULM, like other universities in the Sunbelt, Mid American, Western Athletic and Mountain West conferences don’t truly belong in the Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS), which used to be Div I-A. Rather, they are far better suited and resourced to participate in the Football Championship Series (FCS), which used to be Div I-AA. Both FBS and FCS are Division I. The difference is how much more it costs to compete in the FBS compared to the FCS. If one wants to own a high-end Mercedes, they'll pay a lot more $$$ to keep it running than if it were a Ford.

    Before making each ULM student pony up nearly $250 a year just to reinforce failure, perhaps the university should first honestly explore the option of moving its football team to the FCS.

    bankone1
    This is a poorly wriiten article with false information. La Tech receives $200,000 in student fees for athletics not $3 million. Also the numbers on undergraduate enrollment are false.

    warhawk_dude
    12:19 PM on April 7, 2011
    Regarding the new video board project (expensive toy), I've always been against it because ULM athletics would never state how they were going to pay for it. Now I know how they are going to do it, tax the student! During state budget cuts, ULM should spend money on education, not athletics.

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    2:05 PM on April 7, 2011
    Adding more student fees to support athletics is ridiculous! Students are already paying out the nose for an education so why should they have to support a failing athletic program when most of the student body isn't even involved in athletics? Perhaps if the university got rid of the likes of Professors Stockley and Unter they could use those salaries toward athletics. Stockley and Unter serve no purpose at ULM but to bicker and argue with each other.

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    Re: ULM Students Decide Sports Activity Fees

    Bobby Staub was gonna be on Fox this afternoon. Wonder if they went over Math 101.
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    Re: ULM Students Decide Sports Activity Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgpix View Post
    Bobby Staub was gonna be on Fox this afternoon. Wonder if they went over Math 101.
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    Re: ULM Students Decide Sports Activity Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgpix View Post
    Bobby Staub was gonna be on Fox this afternoon. Wonder if they went over Math 101.
    The part I heard was the usual praising of what a great job Staub is doing at nlulm.

    NO tough questions about the who the scoreboard sponsor is, how they will pay for it, or what the students think about the latest fail.

    Fox and Co. could be TNS editorial board.

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    Re: ULM Students Decide Sports Activity Fees

    Straight from the Board of Regents Policy Manual...

    The maximum state support allowed for an institutions’ athletic program in any given fiscal year is the sum of the Athletic Scholarship Support and the Athletic Base Support for that year.

    One-hundred percent of the product of the number of scholarships allowed and the average cost of an athletic scholarship will be allowed as expenditures from state funds for Athletic Scholarship Support during the year.

    The Athletic Base Support is to be calculated and limited to an amount equal to 3% of an institution’s Operating Budget of the previous year.

    Student fees count as Athletic Base Support.

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    Re: ULM Students Decide Sports Activity Fees

    What happens if they don't pass this student fee?

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    Re: ULM Students Decide Sports Activity Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by maddawg View Post
    The part I heard was the usual praising of what a great job Staub is doing at nlulm.

    NO tough questions about the who the scoreboard sponsor is, how they will pay for it, or what the students think about the latest fail.

    Fox and Co. could be TNS editorial board.
    How does Fox and Co. not ask Staub about this? It was today's big news. It would have been funny to hear him try to explain those numbers.

    Apparently ULM students don't know anything about this proposed fee. ULM isn't promoting the fee because they don't want students to find out about it. If they do, then it will fail miserably at the polls. They are likely just promoting this to select student groups who will vote in favor of the fee.

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    Re: ULM Students Decide Sports Activity Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by qng001 View Post
    What happens if they don't pass this student fee?
    If the fee increase doesn't pass, the current $20/semester Athletic Facilities Fee remains in effect. There is a separate referendum up for vote at ULM that would change the Athletic Facilities Fee to a $1.85/student hour fee that maxes out at $22.20 per student per semester.

    Also, expect ULM to ask the Legislature for a "donation" toward a new videoboard at Malone Stadium.

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    Re: ULM Students Decide Sports Activity Fees

    That's one more detail about the athletics fee the article got wrong. The students at ULM pay a $20 Athletics Facilities Fee per semester, not the $22/semester the article cites. Just another in the long list of errors in the article.

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    Re: ULM Students Decide Sports Activity Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by maddawg View Post
    The part I heard was the usual praising of what a great job Staub is doing at nlulm.

    NO tough questions about the who the scoreboard sponsor is, how they will pay for it, or what the students think about the latest fail.

    Fox and Co. could be TNS editorial board.
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    Re: ULM Students Decide Sports Activity Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by TechAlum05 View Post
    If the fee increase doesn't pass, the current $20/semester Athletic Facilities Fee remains in effect. There is a separate referendum up for vote at ULM that would change the Athletic Facilities Fee to a $1.85/student hour fee that maxes out at $22.20 per student per semester.

    Also, expect ULM to ask the Legislature for a "donation" toward a new videoboard at Malone Stadium.
    Did you find a copy of the referendum? I can't find any information about it anywhere besides all the misinformation that Tabby put out.

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    Re: ULM Students Decide Sports Activity Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    Did you find a copy of the referendum? I can't find any information about it anywhere besides all the misinformation that Tabby put out.
    http://www.ulm.edu/vote/referendum.html

    Text from 2nd Referendum:
    "Implement the Athletic Support Fee of $10.00 per credit hour up to 12 credit hours, which is the equivalent of $120.00 per full-time student. ULM has the lowest Athletic Budget in Division I Athletics. ULM Athletics receive approximately $2 million dollars less than the allowable amount for state distributed funds. In addition, ULM also has the lowest student supported fee revenue in the Sunbelt Conference. This increase in student fees would generate an additional $1.8 million dollars annually: increasing the entire ULM Athletic Budget by 25%. Additional funds generated would be used to offset the decrease in state funding to the university during the coming cliff year (2012) and the escalating operating costs associated with Division I Athletics."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechAlum05 View Post
    http://www.ulm.edu/vote/referendum.html

    Text from 2nd Referendum:
    "Implement the Athletic Support Fee of $10.00 per credit hour up to 12 credit hours, which is the equivalent of $120.00 per full-time student. ULM has the lowest Athletic Budget in Division I Athletics. ULM Athletics receive approximately $2 million dollars less than the allowable amount for state distributed funds. In addition, ULM also has the lowest student supported fee revenue in the Sunbelt Conference. This increase in student fees would generate an additional $1.8 million dollars annually: increasing the entire ULM Athletic Budget by 25%. Additional funds generated would be used to offset the decrease in state funding to the university during the coming cliff year (2012) and the escalating operating costs associated with Division I Athletics."
    Thanks.

    They are trying to slip this in by grouping the athletics fee in with 20 other fee changes for other student groups.

    No where in the referendum does it give a bottom line on the total fee increase per credit hour.

    The referendum is also misleading and inaccurate because:

    1. ULM does not have the lowest budget in NCAA Division I athletics.

    2. ULM does not have the lowest student supported fee revenue in the Sun Belt. ULL receives $0.00 in student fee supported revenue.

    3. The student fees would not increase ULM's athletic budget by 25%. I calculated the ~$1.8 million proposed increase based on their 12-month equivalent full-time enrollment, which also over-estimates the revenues because ULM won't get a dime for any credit hour greater than 12. However, they neglected to reduce their projection by the current student fee revenues of $362,045, which would become null and void if the referendum passes. That leaves them with a projected increase of ~$1,437,955, an approximate 13% increase for their current athletic budget of $10,700,417.

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    Re: ULM Students Decide Sports Activity Fees

    ULM's administration and SGA are blatantly misleading their student body.

    This sentence is located at the top just before they start listing all of the proposed changes:
    "
    This fee structure would make it less expensive for part-time students and marginally more expensive for full-time students."

    Ok, that's the purpose of changing the fee structure, but this appears to be a package referendum with additional fees attached to it. Fees will increase for part-time students taking between 7-11 credit hours, and a fee increase of $133.76 per semester for full-time students is a bit more than "marginally more expensive."

    This is what they should be telling the students. It's really not that hard to do the math.

    For Each Semester
    Hours | Fee Increase

    1. . . -$247.50
    2. . . -$236.50
    3. . . -$225.50
    4. . . -$102.30
    5. . . .-$61.73
    6. . . .-$48.66
    7. . . . $14.41
    8. . . . $27.48
    9. . . . $94.55
    10 . . .$107.62
    11 . . .$120.69
    12 . . .$133.76
    13
    . . .$133.76
    14 . . .$133.76
    15 . . .$133.76
    16 . . .$133.76
    17 . . .$133.76
    18 . . .$133.76

    This means that full-time students will have an annual fee increase of $267.52.

    Why is this even listed?
    "Change the Athletic Facilities Fee from $20 to $1.85 for students taking 1 credit hour and increasing $1.85 for each additional credit hour up to 12 credit hours and $22.20. The Athletic Facilities Fee will be eliminated if the Athletic Support Fee passes."

    If the referendum does not pass, then they will keep the old fee structure. Why propose a new fee structure, but then say you're going to eliminate it if it passes?
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    Re: ULM Students Decide Sports Activity Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by TechAlum05 View Post
    If the fee increase doesn't pass, the current $20/semester Athletic Facilities Fee remains in effect. There is a separate referendum up for vote at ULM that would change the Athletic Facilities Fee to a $1.85/student hour fee that maxes out at $22.20 per student per semester.

    Also, expect ULM to ask the Legislature for a "donation" toward a new videoboard at Malone Stadium.
    Are you sure they are really separate referendums?

    At the request of its' Student Government Association, the University of Louisiana at Monroe is requesting Board approval to allow its' students to vote on a referendum on April 13 and 14, 2011, to establish and/or increase the following fees (per semester):

    Summer fees are not affected if this referendum passes. If this referendum does not pass, current student assessed fees will remain the same. If this referendum passes, fee adjustments will become effective in fall 2011.

    However, they do use "and/or."

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