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    Re: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

    The Middle East will Westernize more quickly if we stay out of there and get our own house in order.
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    Re: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    The Middle East will Westernize more quickly if we stay out of there and get our own house in order.
    Agreed. Who knows what the region would be like if not for post-WWI, European imperialism.

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    Re: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    The Middle East will Westernize more quickly if we stay out of there and get our own house in order.
    I don't think it will ever westernize. Those people still live like it is about 1000 AD. Even if they get rid of the dictators, the religion doesn't allow for a system of liberty and equality.

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    Re: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by T_Won View Post
    I don't think it will ever westernize. Those people still live like it is about 1000 AD. Even if they get rid of the dictators, the religion doesn't allow for a system of liberty and equality.
    Neither did old-school Christianity, but it modernized too. Economic prosperity can modernize any religion.
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    Re: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Neither did old-school Christianity, but it modernized too. Economic prosperity can modernize any religion.
    But Christians are taught to love your enemy and Muslims are taught to kill your enemies. Christianity is based on idividualism and Islam is based on collectivism (Shariah Law). Christians do not have a need for a nation. Muslims want to take over the world. The only way they can westernize is to reject Islam, imo.

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    Re: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by T_Won View Post
    But Christians are taught to love your enemy and Muslims are taught to kill your enemies. Christianity is based on idividualism and Islam is based on collectivism (Shariah Law). Christians do not have a need for a nation. Muslims want to take over the world. The only way they can westernize is to reject Islam, imo.
    I know plenty of Westernized Muslims.
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    Re: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    I know plenty of Westernized Muslims.
    That's true, they do exist. And all men long for freedom, regardless of their religion. It's possible, but it will take a long time for the majority of Muslims to transform/reform the teachings of the Qaran. It seems the Obama adminstration thinks it has already happened, and they are wrong.

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    Re: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    I know plenty of Westernized Muslims.
    Not when compared to 2 billion of them.

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    Re: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by T_Won View Post
    But Christians are taught to love your enemy and Muslims are taught to kill your enemies. Christianity is based on idividualism and Islam is based on collectivism (Shariah Law). Christians do not have a need for a nation. Muslims want to take over the world. The only way they can westernize is to reject Islam, imo.
    Exactly!!

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    Re: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

    Non bible believing and reading folks will not understand the larger importance of this issue other than in it's simplest form and by what they read or are told by our government; or what they discern again in the very simpest form in their uneducated mind.
    This is a tremendous problem!!

    And yes this obviously includes Obama and Hillary.

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    Re: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Non bible believing and reading folks will not understand the larger importance of this issue other than in it's simplest form and by what they read or are told by our government; or what they discern again in the very simpest form in their uneducated mind.
    This is a tremendous problem!!

    And yes this obviously includes Obama and Hillary.
    So true. If the Bible is true, the Muslims will not westernize. The whole world will come against Israel along with the Muslims. That being said, it is going to happen regardless of what Obama does. And God may have actually placed Obama in office to hasten all this. Just trust... we know it ends well.

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    Re: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Non bible believing and reading folks will not understand the larger importance of this issue other than in it's simplest form and by what they read or are told by our government; or what they discern again in the very simpest form in their uneducated mind.
    This is a tremendous problem!!

    And yes this obviously includes Obama and Hillary.
    Quote Originally Posted by T_Won View Post
    So true. If the Bible is true, the Muslims will not westernize. The whole world will come against Israel along with the Muslims. That being said, it is going to happen regardless of what Obama does. And God may have actually placed Obama in office to hasten all this. Just trust... we know it ends well.
    100% truth although there should be no IF in your second sentence.

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    Re: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

    Since y'all think the rapture or whatever you want to call it is coming, how about signing all your property over to me?

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    Re: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by T_Won View Post
    This is bigger than politics... this is good vs evil. Bin Laden would have absolutely loved Obama's speech today. And if 1 Jew (other than Streisand and Jon Stewart) votes for Obama, they are fools.
    Who do you think runs hollywood and the porn industry? and tons of Hedge (scam) funds - Bernie Madoff.

    This is a slippery slope when mixing religious beliefs with politics. Jews hold no more favor from God than Muslims. Glenn Beck is just trying to appeal to some evangelicals that are still looking for Jesus to establish a literal 1000 year kingdom in Israel.
    But Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world." The Kingdom of God is within you if you are Christian, just my belief.

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    Re: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    The Middle East will Westernize more quickly if we stay out of there and get our own house in order.

    +1000

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