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    "Black-box" to be installed in all new cars starting in June 2011

    http://www.examiner.com/finance-exam...-box-installed

    Beginning in June of 2011, all new cars manufactured and sold in the United States will be required to have a mandated black box device installed, which can be used to monitor several different physical and technical data points....

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    Re: "Black-box" to be installed in all new cars starting in June 2011

    Big Brother is taking over.

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    Re: "Black-box" to be installed in all new cars starting in June 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by StrayDawg View Post
    Big Brother is taking over.
    I would be fine with it, if all it was capable of recording were things like speeds, braking methods, g-forces...

    The thing I am most concerned about it is if there are any location features (gps) and the whole "mileage tax".

    I'll be DAMNED if I get taxed per mile I drive to bail this country out of debt. I'll walk.

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    Re: "Black-box" to be installed in all new cars starting in June 2011

    I know these "black box" or EDR (event data recorders) are already installed in many vehicles today. How do they work? Do they just keep temporary data on the last session you were driving? I wonder what is the data storage capacity.

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    Re: "Black-box" to be installed in all new cars starting in June 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by ITdrummer View Post
    I would be fine with it, if all it was capable of recording were things like speeds, braking methods, g-forces...

    The thing I am most concerned about it is if there are any location features (gps) and the whole "mileage tax".

    I'll be DAMNED if I get taxed per mile I drive to bail this country out of debt. I'll walk.
    I highly doubt it. This guy just wrote a blog and put in very extreme scenarios.

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    Re: "Black-box" to be installed in all new cars starting in June 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by qng001 View Post
    I highly doubt it. This guy just wrote a blog and put in very extreme scenarios.
    I wouldn't put it past our government.

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    Re: "Black-box" to be installed in all new cars starting in June 2011

    This should be easy enough to "fix". Someone will have a hack on it before it is even installed. If it uses GPS, a simple battery operated noise jammer would be an easy way to block the signal.
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    Re: "Black-box" to be installed in all new cars starting in June 2011

    Many of us have had these in our cars for years. Here are a couple more articles that shed some light on the issue with a little less hysteria:
    http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/24/n...ars-next-month

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/43194805

    I think that it's a matter of time before our driving habits are monitored for insurance purposes (not constantly, but periodically). This is bad for auto enthusiasts (like me) who tend to have a lead foot...

    ie programs like this will not be optional: http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/con...count-05182011

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    Re: "Black-box" to be installed in all new cars starting in June 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Festus View Post
    Many of us have had these in our cars for years. Here are a couple more articles that shed some light on the issue with a little less hysteria:
    http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/24/n...ars-next-month

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/43194805

    I think that it's a matter of time before our driving habits are monitored for insurance purposes (not constantly, but periodically). This is bad for auto enthusiasts (like me) who tend to have a lead foot...

    ie programs like this will not be optional: http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/con...count-05182011

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    Re: "Black-box" to be installed in all new cars starting in June 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by ITdrummer View Post
    I would be fine with it, if all it was capable of recording were things like speeds, braking methods, g-forces...

    The thing I am most concerned about it is if there are any location features (gps) and the whole "mileage tax".

    I'll be DAMNED if I get taxed per mile I drive to bail this country out of debt. I'll walk.
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    Re: "Black-box" to be installed in all new cars starting in June 2011

    Louisiana and indeed all states have laws against tampering with exhaust systems, such as the pipes. Yet, about 1/3 of all vehicles on the road have illegal devices and/or have required devices removed. Law enforcement knows it. Had one police officer laugh and say, Heck, my pick-em-up truck is illegal, so I am not gonna ticket someone else for it.

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    Re: "Black-box" to be installed in all new cars starting in June 2011

    Some of us don't think the car comes perfect from the factory. Anything that the government makes the factory install on the car, we can easily take off, bypass, modify, or piggyback. The simple solution to this device is to install an intermediate piece of software that sends false data to the device.
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    Re: "Black-box" to be installed in all new cars starting in June 2011

    The simple solution to this device is to install an intermediate piece of software that sends false data to the device.
    ...or install a bullet hole.

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    Re: "Black-box" to be installed in all new cars starting in June 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Some of us don't think the car comes perfect from the factory. Anything that the government makes the factory install on the car, we can easily take off, bypass, modify, or piggyback. The simple solution to this device is to install an intermediate piece of software that sends false data to the device.
    Someone will have a new business of rendering these boxes useless very quickly.

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