Rick Perry Texas Gov says A&M considering SEC

[mikedog]

This is what I was referring to a couple of months ago when I stated "some traditional powerhouses, including some SEC schools, are about to feel like 2nd class citizens."

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[Dr Twister]

I didn't catch that, but don't doubt it one bit. Regardless, they can do it if they want to do it.

To Dr.Twister: As for the other schools and conferences around the country (including the SEC), those are not NEARLY the amount that Texas just signed for and they have to share it with their conference. It is a MUCH different arrangement than Texas just made.

Better run your facts again, CSTN and the other SEC network channels make all that money and it goes straight back to the school (SEC allows the schools to make deals independently as well as the have doe with COX and Charter) which is completely independent of the SEC Network ABC deal is (3 billion over 15 years). You can see why any school moving to the SEC if you pardon the pun makes CENTS. You have to remember the BIG 12 currently does not have its own network, their looking into it but as of yet it does not exist.

Don't get me wrong the LHN is one hell of a deal but it fails in comparison to some of the deals schools like Alabama and Florida.

Personally, I'd be more concerned that Texas doesn't change its mind like A&M did and follow baby brother into the SEC after the set up LHN

[champion110]

Better run your facts again, CSTN and the other SEC network channels make all that money and it goes straight back to the school (SEC allows the schools to make deals independently as well as the have doe with COX and Charter) which is completely independent of the SEC Network ABC deal is (3 billion over 15 years). You can see why any school moving to the SEC if you pardon the pun makes CENTS. You have to remember the BIG 12 currently does not have its own network, their looking into it but as of yet it does not exist.

Don't get me wrong the LHN is one hell of a deal but it fails in comparison to some of the deals schools like Alabama and Florida.

Personally, I'd be more concerned that Texas doesn't change its mind like A&M did and follow baby brother into the SEC after the set up LHN

From what I understand the Texas deal is MUCH larger than any one school has in the SEC, though. If Texas leaves the B12, it will be because it has weakened to the point that it makes better sense for them to be independent. I don't think they would think about another conference. No need....

[Dr Twister]

From what I understand the Texas deal is MUCH larger than any one school has in the SEC, though. If Texas leaves the B12, it will be because it has weakened to the point that it makes better sense for them to be independent. I don't think they would think about another conference. No need....

Rumors are rumors. Here's the facts:

LHN deal is 300 million over 20 years......15 million a year
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6037857

SEC Network Deal alone is roughly 17 million to each school
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...spn/index.html

Then add in all the individual deals for each of their individual networks and you have a number way above LHN deal.

[Dr Twister]

Don't get me wrong 15 million a year is one hell of a good deal. Can you imagine what Tech could do with 15 million/year!!!!

[Soonerdawg]

Oklahoma, with a state population of only 3.7M, does NOT have the national following or the number of TV sets that Texas, Notre Dame, and even BYU has. (BYU has a national following due to their Mormon connection.) Oklahoma can crow all it wants about establishing it's "own TV network", but the fact remains that the Sooners are from a small market state, and none of the TV networks are going to pay Oklahoma "Texas-type" money to set up their own TV network. It's apples and oranges.



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Hog is 100% correct. Oklahoma needs Texas to survive. They had better be kissing Texas' butt right now.

[HogDawg]

Yes, but not for the type of money that UT is receiving, I bet....

I do agree that there will be more separate contracts, but not for the amount Texas is receiving for it - plus, I think schools in the SEC have to share the revenue with conference mates.

Exactly. The fact that Alabama already has a university TV network and nobody knows it, is simply further proof that you're correct.



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[Dr Twister]

Exactly. The fact that Alabama already has a university TV network and nobody knows it, is simply further proof that you're correct.



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Actually everybody knows it. Can't help it if you live an isolated life HD. In all fairness to you though, I wouldn't have known (or probably cared) if I hadn't received one of my doctorates there. What is really a slap in the face is they don't have one university TV network but TWO. Crimson Tide Sports Network broadcasts 24/7 Alabama athletics and WVUA a local television station in the north Alabama area is also owned by the university as well (been gone three years but have to admit Teri Brewer Live at 5 always made my day ).

[HogDawg]

Rumors are rumors. Here's the facts:

LHN deal is 300 million over 20 years......15 million a year
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6037857

SEC Network Deal alone is roughly 17 million to each school
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...spn/index.html

Then add in all the individual deals for each of their individual networks and you have a number way above LHN deal.

You're comparing apples (the SEC's conference TV package revenues) to oranges (UT's individual school TV network revenues).

Now add UT's Big XII conference TV revenues to UT's $15 Million a year from the LHN, and THEN you'll have a fair comparison. UT will blow the SEC guys away. :icon_wink: The Big XII TV contract with FOX is estimated to be approximately $90 million annually to the 10 Big XII schools, and ESPN is kicking in another $65M annually. However, as a result of last summer's "PAC 10 scare" and renegotiation, UT, OU & TA&M now get a "disproportionate" (or larger) share of the Big XII TV revenues than the other 7 schools.

If we conservatively estimate that UT is receiving 20% of the Big XII's FOX & ESPN revenues annually, that's another $31 Million in TV revenue that UT adds to its' annual LHN haul of $15 Million. Altogether, that's a grand total of $46 Million in annual TV revenues that UT will receive (assuming they receive the 20% of non-LHN TV revenues previously mentioned.)

One last thing: Comparing the SEC TV contract to the LHN contract just isn't comparable. When you tune into the LHN, you're gonna see UT sports and UT sponsored sports & events 24X7. No SEC school is gonna get that type of exposure from the SEC network. The SEC network will obviously be obligated to spread the wealth and will be showing all 12 schools. This will give each SEC school --such as Alabama-- much less exposure than UT will get on the LHN.




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[Dr Twister]

You're comparing apples (the SEC's conference TV package revenues) to oranges (UT's individual school TV network revenues).

Now add UT's Big XII conference TV revenues to UT's $15 Million a year from the LHN, and THEN you'll have a fair comparison. UT will blow the SEC guys away. :icon_wink: The Big XII TV contract with FOX is estimated to be approximately $90 million annually to the 10 Big XII schools, and ESPN is kicking in a other $65M. However, as a result of last summer's renegotiation, UT gets a "disproportionate" (or larger) share of the Big XII TV revenues than any of the other schools.

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As usual your never going to admit your wrong. Not sure why you make stuff up to justify, but if it makes you feel better go for it. As well as working at the NSSL, I just happen to be a faculty member in the OU School Of Meteorology and just happen to be on the faculty senate (which had to approve the new Big 12 deal) so you trying to blow smoke up the wrong butt their HD. If you want to quit speculating and know what the actual amounts are call OU and talk to Larry Naifef in the athletic department. He's in charge of all contracts and fiscal/strategic planning for OU in relation to Big 12 issues (as well as our two seat in our faculty crew team up at Chesapeake Boathouse). I was joking with him earlier tonight when we were doing our nightly practice and he said he'd love for you to give him a call and tell him where you get your figures.

[Dr Twister]

You're comparing apples (the SEC's conference TV package revenues) to oranges (UT's individual school TV network revenues).

Now add UT's Big XII conference TV revenues to UT's $15 Million a year from the LHN, and THEN you'll have a fair comparison. UT will blow the SEC guys away. :icon_wink: The Big XII TV contract with FOX is estimated to be approximately $90 million annually to the 10 Big XII schools, and ESPN is kicking in another $65M annually. However, as a result of last summer's "PAC 10 scare" and renegotiation, UT, OU & TA&M now get a "disproportionate" (or larger) share of the Big XII TV revenues than the other 7 schools.

If we conservatively estimate that UT is receiving 20% of the Big XII's FOX & ESPN revenues annually, that's another $31 Million in TV revenue that UT adds to its' annual LHN haul of $15 Million. Altogether, that's a grand total of $46 Million in annual TV revenues that UT will receive (assuming they receive the 20% of non-LHN TV revenues previously mentioned.)

One last thing: Comparing the SEC TV contract to the LHN contract just isn't comparable. When you tune into the LHN, you're gonna see UT sports and UT sponsored sports & events 24X7. No SEC school is gonna get that type of exposure from the SEC network. The SEC network will obviously be obligated to spread the wealth and will be showing all 12 schools. This will give each SEC school --such as Alabama-- much less exposure than UT will get on the LHN.


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Um hello..they don't need to since they already have their own networks. CTSN already broadcasts Alabama sports that way and has been doing it that way for years. Eli Gold and Barry Krauss have been supplying play by play color commentary for every game for as long back as I remember.

[HogDawg]

As usual your never going to admit your wrong. Not sure why you make stuff up to justify, but if it makes you feel better go for it. As well as working at the NSSL, I just happen to be a faculty member in the OU School Of Meteorology and just happen to be on the faculty senate (which had to approve the new Big 12 deal) so you trying to blow smoke up the wrong butt their HD. If you want to quit speculating and know what the actual amounts are call OU and talk to Larry Naifef in the athletic department. He's in charge of all contracts and fiscal/strategic planning for OU in relation to Big 12 issues (as well as our two seat in our faculty crew team up at Chesapeake Boathouse). I was joking with him earlier tonight when we were doing our nightly practice and he said he'd love for you to give him a call and tell him where you get your figures.

My my....someone got their little intellectual feelings hurt.

You know a guy has lost the argument when he starts trying to tell you how smart he is and who he knows.

For the record, I didn't "make up" anything. Even a certified intellectual genius like you can surf the net (like us normal lay people) and find the same TV contract info that I just gave you about ALL THREE TV contract deals that UT benefits from (the LHN, the FOX Big XII package, and the ESPN Big XII deal).

I never said you have to like it. :icon_wink:



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[HogDawg]

Um hello..they don't need to since they already have their own networks. CTSN already broadcasts Alabama sports that way and has been doing it that way for years. Eli Gold and Barry Krauss have been supplying play by play color commentary for every game for as long back as I remember.

Now you're reaching.

http://wvuatv.com/content/about-wvua


By the Univ of Alabama's own admission, their "TV network" is available to up to 1.8 million people in the Birmingham metro area, and alledgedly up to 3 million viewers within the large broadcast signal (whatever that is).

The bottom line is, this is small fry stuff. It reminds me of LSU's "Tigervision" back in the early 1980's.




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[Dr Twister]

Now you're reaching.

http://wvuatv.com/content/about-wvua


By the Univ of Alabama's own admission, their "TV network" is available to up to 1.8 million people in the Birmingham metro area, and alledgedly up to 3 million viewers within the large broadcast signal (whatever that is).

The bottom line is, this is small fry stuff. It reminds me of LSU's "Tigervision" back in the early 1980's.


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Now do your research on the CTSN. You researched WVUA not CTSN, again Alabama has two networks one through their local cable system (WVUA) which is more like watching KNOE but not has high tech like KHOU .... Bama actually went and bought one of the local affiliates. Now CSTN is a different story all together, its available nationwide through COX or Charter; it on the other hand does remind me a little of the old campus television days sometimes because for all the live sporting events are from the closed circuit TVs at all the venues.

[Dr Twister]

My my....someone got their little intellectual feelings hurt.

You know a guy has lost the argument when he starts trying to tell you how smart he is and who he knows.

For the record, I didn't "make up" anything. Even a certified intellectual genius like you can surf the net (like us normal lay people) and find the same TV contract info that I just gave you about ALL THREE TV contract deals that UT benefits from (the LHN, the FOX Big XII package, and the ESPN Big XII deal).

I never said you have to like it. :icon_wink:



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Talked to Larry at lunch at Interurban (Ruston needs to get one of these by the way) and he says he's still waiting for your phone call. Don't let me down HD. He's in a figting mood today after we placed in the OKC Classic Regatta this weekend so I'm sure you two will have loads of fun debating the finer notes of contracts