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    Re: More persecution of Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Bump for Pastor Worley's sermon about putting gays inside of an electric fence.
    Clearly, Worley is a compassionate conservative. He at least wants to drop food inside the electric fence.

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    Re: More persecution of Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Bump for Pastor Worley's sermon about putting gays inside of an electric fence.
    Just for clarity...

    You just compared a crackpot with a video camera (who has been condemned by conservative evangelical christendom in no uncertain terms) to the systematic murder of Christians in areas where Islam is "expanding".
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    Re: More persecution of Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by maverick View Post
    Clearly, Worley is a compassionate conservative. He at least wants to drop food inside the electric fence.
    Hilarious!

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    Re: More persecution of Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    Just for clarity...

    You just compared a crackpot with a video camera (who has been condemned by conservative evangelical christendom in no uncertain terms) to the systematic murder of Christians in areas where Islam is "expanding".
    I have seen/heard more Muslims object to the violence against Christians than I have seen Christians object to what Worley said. Moreover, his congregation seems to be supporting him.
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    Just sayin'.
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    Re: More persecution of Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    I have seen/heard more Muslims object to the violence against Christians than I have seen Christians object to what Worley said. Moreover, his congregation seems to be supporting him.
    1. You're not looking very hard.

    2. Worley runs an autonomous church. Of course the crazy people who voted him in support him. That's one church, not a denomination.
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    Re: More persecution of Christians

    CNN is equating "anti-gay" teaching with moronic teaching about internment camps and murder. That's dangerous equivocation and it will eventually threaten our freedoms (see Canada's banning of preachers calling homosexuality sin).
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    Re: More persecution of Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    I have seen/heard more Muslims object to the violence against Christians than I have seen Christians object to what Worley said. Moreover, his congregation seems to be supporting him.
    Of course you have becasue Radical Muslims commit heinous acts on a much larger scale than some Christians even talk about it. Not to mention, we have rule of law here that will always take care of any person trying to do anything illegal. You dont really get that as much in Muslim lands, so the people have to step out against things if something is going to change. A preacher talking about internment camps and nonsense such as that doesnt even need to be addressed, people know it is nonsense and will never happen. Radical muslims talk and enact their hate fairly regularly. Also, I am sure many preachers condemn these ridiculous teachings, I know my pastor will address these things every now and then, but CNN isnt there to interview him, nor do they care to be.

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    Re: More persecution of Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    CNN is equating "anti-gay" teaching with moronic teaching about internment camps and murder. That's dangerous equivocation and it will eventually threaten our freedoms (see Canada's banning of preachers calling homosexuality sin).
    I curious how you made that leap? I don't see where Greene equated "anti-gay" teaching with moronic teaching about internment camps and murder. He more or less is trying to figure/explain the "why" behind protest failing and "why" Christians (while ignoring everyone else) teach against homosexuality. His problem is he finds the extreme, which after looking at his history doesn't surprise me too much now.

    Also, Canada didn't ban anything. Alberta banned home-schools and faith-based schools from teaching that homosexual acts are sinful as part of their academic program. That's actually reasonable. It doesn't prevent them from teaching outside of academia. Ontario seems to be in the process of doing something similar. I am curious how they are able to ignore the Constitution of Canada though.

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    Re: More persecution of Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by dhussdawg View Post
    Of course you have becasue Radical Muslims commit heinous acts on a much larger scale than some Christians even talk about it. Not to mention, we have rule of law here that will always take care of any person trying to do anything illegal. You dont really get that as much in Muslim lands, so the people have to step out against things if something is going to change. A preacher talking about internment camps and nonsense such as that doesnt even need to be addressed, people know it is nonsense and will never happen. Radical muslims talk and enact their hate fairly regularly. Also, I am sure many preachers condemn these ridiculous teachings, I know my pastor will address these things every now and then, but CNN isnt there to interview him, nor do they care to be.
    But you also have to see, Christians have this built in lie that because of the act the person or group does, they are not Christian for doing it. They disassociate themselves from that person or group. Islamist do not deny their people because they have sinned. They either ignore it, correct it, or when dealing with the extreme, kill over it.

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    Re: More persecution of Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by JuBru View Post
    But you also have to see, Christians have this built in lie that because of the act the person or group does, they are not Christian for doing it. They disassociate themselves from that person or group.
    Lie? We've been over this. It's semantics. If I say I'm a Jubru follower but don't act like JuBru did (or follow his instructions) it doesn't matter what I claim - there is a legitimate argument that I am not a "little JuBru."

    There is nothing disingenuous about Christians decrying acts that they deem un-Christian. Your definition of "Christian" seems to be anyone who claims to be one. And that's one way of defining that term. But you've got to acknowledge that it isn't the only one (and that a good strong argument can be made that many who make that claim do so dubiously at best).

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    Re: More persecution of Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by JuBru View Post
    I curious how you made that leap? I don't see where Greene equated "anti-gay" teaching with moronic teaching about internment camps and murder. He more or less is trying to figure/explain the "why" behind protest failing and "why" Christians (while ignoring everyone else) teach against homosexuality. His problem is he finds the extreme, which after looking at his history doesn't surprise me too much now.

    Also, Canada didn't ban anything. Alberta banned home-schools and faith-based schools from teaching that homosexual acts are sinful as part of their academic program. That's actually reasonable. It doesn't prevent them from teaching outside of academia. Ontario seems to be in the process of doing something similar. I am curious how they are able to ignore the Constitution of Canada though.
    The headline is "Protests fail to silence anti-gay sermons from Christian preachers". That is the headline of a story about a preacher who advocates execution of gays. Doesn't seem like such a leap to me.

    I can't find the link to the Canadian story I was referring to, but it was about a preacher who's sermons were broadcast over the radio. He called homosexuality a sin in one of the sermons and was charged with a hate crime. Something similar happened to Mark Styne.

    I can't vouch for this paper, but it's the closest thing I could find real quick that related to my canadian comments: http://www.onenewsnow.com/Perspectiv...aspx?id=135546
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    Re: More persecution of Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by JuBru View Post
    But you also have to see, Christians have this built in lie that because of the act the person or group does, they are not Christian for doing it. They disassociate themselves from that person or group. Islamist do not deny their people because they have sinned. They either ignore it, correct it, or when dealing with the extreme, kill over it.
    Well, I dont know about calling someone a Christian or not, not really my call. However, it is easy to call when someone is bastardizing the Bible. How would you have us correct it in a free society? I guess every Christian organization could shun them and disassociate themselves. I just dont know what you want here. We have no right to make them shut their churches down just because he preaches some nonsense about killing gays. If people still go there and give money for the church to operate, they have the freedom and right to congregate and spewing whatever hate he wants to. However, he does not have the right to act on it and, in some cases, could be held liable if a congregation member acts on it due to his teachings. Our rule of law has this under control, not a whole lot we need to or can do about it.

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