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[champion110]

I know that in some cases, perhaps a majority - I don't know, very young children that later identify themselves as homosexual may as children exhibit strong preference for activities typically associated with the opposite sex. At the same time, other very young children can exhibit the same strong preference for activities typically associated with the opposite sex, but as adults they are unquestionably heterosexual. After countless studies it seems that there is no conclusive evidence or consensus regarding the origins of homosexuality.

So I return to my contention that regardless of its origin, homosexuality is not an intended role and serves no good purpose either for the individual that is homosexual or society. It is not a "condition" to be celebrated, embraced as normal, or advocated as an acceptable alternative lifestyle for whatever minority might choose it. It is not something to be flaunted, as it is distasteful for a huge majority and their perspective should be respected. But it also need not be feared or hated by that huge majority, particularly when their view is being respected by the homosexual community at large.

Gender orientation and Homosexuality are two completely different issues, although they do have some overlap.

As for the second statement, maybe we don't know the purpose. I don't know a purpose of being White, Black, or any differences in humans you can find. And, with overpopulation, even though we love having children and a family, I don't see a purpose in being Heterosexual either. Besides, being Gay doesn't stop you from having kids and a family now, anyway. It must have some purpose, since it has been around for as long as history records. The only difference now is that it is acceptable to acknowledge it and that promotes longer term relationships.

[champion110]

This is a good Site for myths and facts. Yes, it is a "safe zone" for Gay persons. I am sure that many of you could (and probably will) post information from conservative right wing Sites. The two sides of the argument will be in our society for a long time, but this has some good information in a simple straight forward way. Read it, if you like...... Just some information that I agree with.

http://case.edu/lgbt/safezone/truth.html

I would, also, suggest reading infromation from PFLAG (parents and friends of Lesbian's and Gays). They have some great first hand information for those wanting to hear the other point of view. I have read extensively on some of your points of view from various resources (Heck, all I have to do is listen to Fox News ). Seriously, in the field of work I am in, I have read serious literature from both sides of the discussion we are having.

Now, I have to get ready for work......... Hope all of you have a great Monday! Just because we disagree on this issue, doesn't mean that I do not respect and like to hear your opinions. I just won't be able to answer much today. Long day ahead..........

[dawg80]

Many of you will be distressed to hear I first heard this question asked by a professor at Tech. The question was: assuming sexual orientation is a choice, do you remember the day you chose heterosexuality?

Yes! at seven I was invited to a birthday/swim party. I saw a neighbor, Vanessa, in a bikini. Knew right then that girls are so cute and we guys so gross. Easy choice.

Up to that point in my life, age 7, I hadn't thought about it. My choice was made that day!

[dawg80]

Gender orientation and Homosexuality are two completely different issues, although they do have some overlap.

As for the second statement, maybe we don't know the purpose. I don't know a purpose of being White, Black, or any differences in humans you can find. And, with overpopulation, even though we love having children and a family, I don't see a purpose in being Heterosexual either. Besides, being Gay doesn't stop you from having kids and a family now, anyway. It must have some purpose, since it has been around for as long as history records. The only difference now is that it is acceptable to acknowledge it and that promotes longer term relationships.

Really, Champ? I suggest you enroll in a biology class.

[LookingForResults]

Champ, you're not thinking straight to ask what purpose heterosexuality serves, but I'll spell it out for you - perpetuation of the species and its adjunct, genetic diversity. Just because homosexuality has persisted over time does not mean it has a purpose any more than the saying polio has purpose because it has persisted over time.

Understand that I'm only referencing the homosexual aspect of an individual and not whether they can otherwise make contribution to society. I recognize that homosexuals, just like heterosexuals, have made significant contributions to society at one time or another in virtually all fields. But the homosexuality component is an unintended deviation from that individual's full intended purpose. In the same way as a disease, if it could be cured, it should be.

The strident gay community causes much of the current day push-back and is its own worst
enemy. Until a genetic or biological basis for homosexuality is scientifically established, the possibility of choice will always be reason enough for strong opposition because the heterosexual community views the CHOICE of homosexuality as a choice that directly leads to a world of no boundaries. The strident gay community, if not the wider gay community, refuses to respect that viewpoint.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

This topic in general , when argued by the pro-gay side, is always interesting as they constantly change the subject to something similar as a diversionary tactic but nevertheless off target. So I will answer the above question by the same method. It was and is a Heterosexual world because that's the way God purposefully started it and IMHO that's the way God intended it to be until sin came into the world ( much like murder, lying, rape, theft and diseases etc..). God had designed the perfect world until man and women broke the rules. Take the issue up with Adam and Eve some day. :icon_wink:

[Tech77]

If ULL's enrollment skyrockets due to this agenda they are embracing, I will be glad it is their school and not our's.

[champion110]

Champ, you're not thinking straight to ask what purpose heterosexuality serves, but I'll spell it out for you - perpetuation of the species and its adjunct, genetic diversity. Just because homosexuality has persisted over time does not mean it has a purpose any more than the saying polio has purpose because it has persisted over time.

Understand that I'm only referencing the homosexual aspect of an individual and not whether they can otherwise make contribution to society. I recognize that homosexuals, just like heterosexuals, have made significant contributions to society at one time or another in virtually all fields. But the homosexuality component is an unintended deviation from that individual's full intended purpose. In the same way as a disease, if it could be cured, it should be.

The strident gay community causes much of the current day push-back and is its own worst
enemy. Until a genetic or biological basis for homosexuality is scientifically established, the possibility of choice will always be reason enough for strong opposition because the heterosexual community views the CHOICE of homosexuality as a choice that directly leads to a world of no boundaries. The strident gay community, if not the wider gay community, refuses to respect that viewpoint.

Sorry, but the bolded was funny.........

With overpopulation, maybe the purpose of Heterosexuality is no longer necessary. :icon_wink:

I agreee about genetic and biological studies. Wish there were more of them. Just because it hasn't been found yet, does not mean it does not exist. Choice was never an option for any Gay person I know. That is subjective information, though. Your arguments are valid.

As for others just falling on the Bible, well........ we could get into all sorts of interpretation issues and translation issues that we have been down before on many issues of the Bible. I don't have the time, nor energy to devote to those repeat discussions, though. I am a Christian and I believe my thoughts on this are correct - just as many that believe otherwise. I am glad my belief system supports the rights of others, though. We can make the Bible say just about anything we wish and many think I am doing that on this topic, but I can say the same of the ones saying that. Just because they are in the majority in the Bible Belt (or anywhere else) does not make it right or correct, no more than it makes my beliefs.

I would ask this, though......... How do some of you reconcile your love of the constitution vs. your following a strict path of the Bible (I say stict path, but we all know that path is not strict for anyone - they would be in jail for many things if it were).

Man, why can't I stop???????????? I need to get some work done today!

[champion110]

I tend to agree with most of this Website's content on Bible verses that are used against Homosexuality. If you would like to just open your mind to other possibilities of interpretation, it is a good one. You can click on each verse and get the detailed argument of the other side. If you don't want to even consider it, please don't go to the Website.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/homglance.htm

As for me, I was brought up with the same interpretation that many of you have. That changed when I opened my mind up and listened to God. So, I have read and opened my mind up to both sides of this argument. What you conclude from your guidance from God is between you and God - not my business. Same with me....

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Sorry, but the bolded was funny.........

With overpopulation, maybe the purpose of Heterosexuality is no longer necessary. :icon_wink:

I agreee about genetic and biological studies. Wish there were more of them. Just because it hasn't been found yet, does not mean it does not exist. Choice was never an option for any Gay person I know. That is subjective information, though. Your arguments are valid.

As for others just falling on the Bible, well........ we could get into all sorts of interpretation issues and translation issues that we have been down before on many issues of the Bible. I don't have the time, nor energy to devote to those repeat discussions, though. I am a Christian and I believe my thoughts on this are correct - just as many that believe otherwise. I am glad my belief system supports the rights of others, though. We can make the Bible say just about anything we wish and many think I am doing that on this topic, but I can say the same of the ones saying that. Just because they are in the majority in the Bible Belt (or anywhere else) does not make it right or correct, no more than it makes my beliefs.

I would ask this, though......... How do some of you reconcile your love of the constitution vs. your following a strict path of the Bible (I say stict path, but we all know that path is not strict for anyone - they would be in jail for many things if it were).

Man, why can't I stop???????????? I need to get some work done today!

Overpopulation of the earth is a elitist liberal cause to ever so slightly aid in genocide of those they deem superior. The earths food, air and water belongs to this group of spoiled and pampered folks don't you know.:icon_wink: God made this planet and system just for them.

Per your Constitution question, I see it as the elite Liberals always want to change the rules and guidelines set before them that they don't like or choose in their rebellious nature to ignore........hence the same with the Bible. They wish to change and reinterpret the Bible to their liking as well. They are a spoiled. pampered and rebellious bunch that hates authority, guidelines and rules set before them to live by and thereby will always seek to change them by whatever means possible. They needed to be spanked more as kids growing up.

Remember, per your topics above, the yearning by the elitist left to change the interpretation of the Constitution and Bible to fit their "interesting" desires has really only come in vogue the last 40+ years of this country and dare I say the last 40+ years of mankind in reference to the Bible and the behaviors/acts you speak of. Should I dare change the topic so slightly as libs do and now reference their path of interpretation to change these two instruments per the killing babies/abortion as well?

[Rooster]

Do homeosexuals realize if their mom or dad was a homosexual, they wouldn't be around? Seriously, I know it has been a sin for a long time, The Bible speaks of it...but ie think rationally...how can the world keep going if men like men? Or women like women? It is un-natural...

[Built4Speed]

Do homeosexuals realize if their mom or dad was a homosexual, they wouldn't be around? Seriously, I know it has been a sin for a long time, The Bible speaks of it...but ie think rationally...how can the world keep going if men like men? Or women like women? It is un-natural...

Not disputing that. However, AIDS was unnatural too, but that happened. Just because it's unnatural doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Not really sure what point you're trying to make here.

[Guisslapp]

Do homeosexuals realize if their mom or dad was a homosexual, they wouldn't be around? Seriously, I know it has been a sin for a long time, The Bible speaks of it...but ie think rationally...how can the world keep going if men like men? Or women like women? It is un-natural...

Plenty of homosexuals have kids. Many of them make better parents than their heterosexual baby's daddy/momma.

[champion110]

Overpopulation of the earth is a elitist liberal cause to ever so slightly aid in genocide of those they deem superior. The earths food, air and water belongs to this group of spoiled and pampered folks don't you know.:icon_wink: God made this planet and system just for them.

Per your Constitution question, I see it as the elite Liberals always want to change the rules and guidelines set before them that they don't like or choose in their rebellious nature to ignore........hence the same with the Bible. They wish to change and reinterpret the Bible to their liking as well. They are a spoiled. pampered and rebellious bunch that hates authority, guidelines and rules set before them to live by and thereby will always seek to change them by whatever means possible. They needed to be spanked more as kids growing up.

Remember, per your topics above, the yearning by the elitist left to change the interpretation of the Constitution and Bible to fit their "interesting" desires has really only come in vogue the last 40+ years of this country and dare I say the last 40+ years of mankind in reference to the Bible and the behaviors/acts you speak of. Should I dare change the topic so slightly as libs do and now reference their path of interpretation to change these two instruments per the killing babies/abortion as well?

Ray, the Bible has been translated to words that didn't even exist when originally written. I will never understand how people think they can follow the Bible literally and believe they are right about everything. I can pull out some verses that I know none of you follow - I hope not, anyway. As for Liberals, which I lean but not as far as you think, they are doing the same thing conservatives are doing - making the constitution AND the Bible fit with their belief system. I know you must realize that no matter what your beliefs are.....

Do you want the Bible verses that were interpreted as promoting slavory too? Yes, they are in there. The reason they are in there is because slavory was common at the time. We seem to have come to our senses on that one.

[champion110]

Plenty of homosexuals have kids. Many of them make better parents than their heterosexual baby's daddy/momma.

Dang right, they have kids. People on here are in the stone age on some issues. There are even studies that show that kids raised by Gay parents are emotionally more healthy. Add in the Heterosexual divorce rate and number of single parents and this just isn't even a conversation.