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[OLDBLUE]

She probably has about $500 income tax deduction each year, and, if she files a return gets back about $1400. Add on the many other benefits, ans she will make out better than someone earning $30,000 per year helping pay for it.

It is the new American way that has been established over the last 50-60 years because we are so blessed we prosper all the while we are being robbed,,, by our government. Now that it is really beginning to hurt, we see.

But, this is for the political forum,

Merry Christmas Bulldogs, .. err, Bulldahgs.

[70TECHGRAD]

In the coming elections.....anyone that is a Democrat will NOT get my vote!!!!!!!!

[DJDAWG]

A friend sent this to my brother. It will definitely make you think!!!!!! Read carefully!

Subject: Obamacare Explained

What ObamaCare is Really About

I'm a 54 year old consulting engineer and make between $60,000 and $125,000 per year, depending on how hard I work and whether or not there are work projects out there for me.

My girlfriend is 61 and makes about $18,000 per year, working as a part-time mail clerk.

For me, making $60,000 a year, under ObamaCare, the cheapest, lowest grade policy I can buy, which also happens to impose a $5,000 deductible, costs $482 per month.

For my girlfriend, the same exact policy, same deductible, costs $1 per month. That's right, $1 per month. I'm not making this up.

Don't believe me? Just go to www.coveredca.gov , the ObamaCare website for California and enter the parameters I've mentioned above and see for yourself. By the way, my zip code is 93940. You'll need to enter that.

So OK, clearly ObamaCare is a scheme that involves putting the cost burden of healthcare onto the middle and upper-income wage earners. But there's a lot more to it. Stick with me.

And before I make my next points, I'd like you to think about something:

I live in Monterey County, in Central California. We have a large land mass but just 426,000 residents - about the population of Colorado Springs or the city of Omaha.

But we do have a large Hispanic population, including a large number of illegal aliens, and to serve this group we have Natividad Medical Center, a massive, Federally subsidized county medical complex that takes up an area about one-third the size of the Chrysler Corporation automobile assembly plant in Belvedere, Illinois (see Google Earth View). Natividad has state-of-the-art operating rooms, Computed Tomography and Magnetic Resonance Imaging, fully equipped, 24 hour emergency room, and much more. If you have no insurance, if you've been in a drive-by shooting or have overdosed on crack cocaine, this is where you go. And it's essentially free, because almost everyone who ends up in the ER is uninsured.

Last year, 2,735 babies were born at Natividad. 32% of these were born to out-of-wedlock teenage mothers, 93% of which were Hispanic. Less than 20% could demonstrate proof of citizenship, and 71% listed their native language as Spanish. Of these 876 births, only 40 were covered under [any kind of] private health insurance. The taxpayers paid for the other 836. And in case you were wondering about the entire population - all 2,735 births - less than 24% involved insured coverage or even partial payment on behalf of the patient to the hospital in exchange for services. Keep this in mind as we move forward.

Now consider this:

If I want to upgrade my policy to a low-deductible premium policy, such as what I had with my last employer, my cost is $886 per month. But my girlfriend can upgrade her policy to the very same level, for just $4 per month. That's right, $4 per month. $48 per year for a zero-deductible, premium healthcare policy - the kind of thing you get when you work at IBM (except of course, IBM employees pay an average of $170 per month out of pocket for their coverage).

I mean, it's bad enough that I will be forced to subsidize the ObamaCare scheme in the first place. But even if I agreed with the basic scheme, which of course I do not, I would never agree to subsidize premium policies. If I have to pay $482 a month for a budget policy, I sure as hell do not want the guy I'm subsidizing to get a better policy, for less that 1% of what I have to fork out each month for a low-end policy.

Why must I pay $482 per month for something the other guy gets for a dollar? And why should the other guy get to buy an $886 policy for $4 a month? Think about this: I have to pay $10,632 a year for the same thing that the other guy can get for $48. $10,000 of net income is 60 days of full time work as an engineer. $48 is something I could could pay for collecting aluminum cans and plastic bottles, one day a month.

Are you with me on this? Are you starting to get an idea what ObamaCare is really about?

ObamaCare is not about dealing with inequities in the healthcare system. That's just the cover story. The real story is that it is a massive, political power grab. Do you think anyone who can insure himself with a premium policy for $4 a month will vote for anyone but the political party that provides him such a deal? ObamaCare is about enabling, subsidizing, and expanding the Left's political power base, at taxpayer expense. Why would I vote for anyone but a Democrat if I can have babies for $4 a month? For that matter, why would I go to college or strive for a better job or income if it means I have to pay real money for healthcare coverage? Heck, why study engineering when I can be a schlub for $20K per year and buy a new F-150 with all the money I'm saving?

And think about those $4-a-month babies - think in terms of propagation models. Think of just how many babies will be born to irresponsible, under-educated mothers. Will we get a new crop of brain surgeons and particle physicists from the dollar baby club, or will we need more cops, criminal courts and prisons? One thing you can be certain of: At $4 a month, they'll multiply, and multiply, and multiply. And not one of them will vote Republican.

ObamaCare: It's all about political power.

You forgot that this will kill the traditional family. You now have a HUGE disincentive to get married to your girlfriend. I've read stories where parents are getting divorces so that they can get free obamacare for the mother and children. The father will just have to pay for a plan for a single person.

Why? The death of the family makes women put their trust in the government instead of their spouse. Women look for their children to be provided for and our current government WANTS to be that provider.

This is such a huge clusterF*.

Funny thing is. After this is all done, this year, there will be MORE people without insurance than there was BEFORE this stupid thing became law (obama made those that lost their coverage exempt from the fee/tax for not having insurance). And, next year, when the business mandates kick in, there are going to be 10's of millions that lose their current insurance. And, premiums will skyrocket so that insurance companies can pay for the HUGE loses that occur in the individual market.

Why will there be huge loses? Because Obama just decided that those individuals that just lost their non-obamacare-compliant coverage can now go back and get it. This will cause HUGE losses or, if the insurance company decides not to offer them (because of loses), then obama can then shift the "bad-guy" tag onto the insurance companies.

There is so so much more that is wrong with this thing. I could write volumes about how this is the worst legislation in the history of the U.S.

[dawg80]

But....goofy Louisiana will send Queen Mary back to DC.

[OLDBLUE]

Reckon?
I'm not saying she is stupid. I'm just saying she has bad luck when it comes to thinking. The same applies to anyone with common sense that would vote for her.

[70TECHGRAD]

Reckon?
I'm not saying she is stupid. I'm just saying she has bad luck when it comes to thinking. The same applies to anyone with common sense that would vote for her.

Amen!!! Every time Obama stops...her nose goes up Obama's a$$.

[ChipDog]

I found this old post from 06-28-2012*10:36 AM by LookingForResults in a thread called Re: Supreme Court To Rule On Obamacare and thought I should post it here for everyone's enjoyment:


"If I ever meet you Saltydog, have your lawyer's number handy because I'm going to beat your ass." - LookingForResults 6/28/12

[DJDAWG]

I found this old post from 06-28-2012*10:36 AM by LookingForResults in a thread called Re: Supreme Court To Rule On Obamacare and thought I should post it here for everyone's enjoyment:


"If I ever meet you Saltydog, have your lawyer's number handy because I'm going to beat your ass." - LookingForResults 6/28/12

I miss that dude. His son and mine played on the same little league football team many years ago here in Plano. (small world kinda thing)

At practice, I pulled out my Louisiana Tech fold-out chair and he saw it and came over and introduced himself. Really really good guy!!!

btw, his kid was a really really good linebacker.

[70TECHGRAD]

I definitely miss LFR's comments. He was like T1 because he had his strong views and not everyone agreed with him. I do like to hear another viewpoint from time to time. LFR and T1 make a person think.......instead of just following the other ducks down the sidewalk. I miss LFR's comments, so I'm glad T1 came along!!!

[sportdawg]

Almost 4900 posts

[OLDBLUE]

LFR used to be a people person, but some people ruined it for him.

He liked the sound I made when I would shut up.

[DJDAWG]

"The Ministry of Peace concerns itself with war, the Ministry of Truth with lies, the Ministry of Love with torture and the Ministry of Plenty with starvation. These contradictions are not accidental , nor do they result from from ordinary hypocrisy: they are deliberate exercises in doublethink”
― George Orwell, 1984

i.e. Home Land Security (while they pat down little children) (While they turn a blind eye to illegals invading our country, especially from middle eastern countries.)
Afordable Care Act (while we are slammed with higher premium and high deductibles)

[70TECHGRAD]

"The Ministry of Peace concerns itself with war, the Ministry of Truth with lies, the Ministry of Love with torture and the Ministry of Plenty with starvation. These contradictions are not accidental , nor do they result from from ordinary hypocrisy: they are deliberate exercises in doublethink”
― George Orwell, 1984

i.e. Home Land Security (while they pat down little children) (While they turn a blind eye to illegals invading our country, especially from middle eastern countries.)
Afordable Care Act (while we are slammed with higher premium and high deductibles)

VERY true!!!!!!

[ChipDog]

I miss that dude. His son and mine played on the same little league football team many years ago here in Plano. (small world kinda thing)

At practice, I pulled out my Louisiana Tech fold-out chair and he saw it and came over and introduced himself. Really really good guy!!!

btw, his kid was a really really good linebacker.

I miss him too.

[OLDBLUE]

I've noticed rare or no posts by several that I have a lot of respect for.

They just don't know, or remember, this thread is always here for them.

Its okay if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.

And, I never argue, I just explain why I'm right.