Obama: Take Military equipment from Police now

[TYLERTECHSAS]

As a son of an IDB, I now know why you get under my skin.
Law Enforcement is for Law Enforcement but taking away things that would help in dire situations like Chicago now and Ferguson last year is tomfoolery
I oppose the War on Drugs but also see no remedy
I saw some messed up stuff in my days as a cop and probation officer
Show me a Militia I can legally join to protect my country from Government Interference

Exactly!! Which is why I posted this thread in the first place. Obama leanings and moves are never good for America or Americans I'm afraid. Obama and Hillary have a totally different agenda and it will circumnavigate the US Constitution if possible.

[KSDAWG]

Here is the post I missed. I saw Politico and got no further.

First paragraph. I answered it elsewhere. No, I've not seen combat nor have I served as a policeman. My brother and my son have served in combat. I am very good friends with quite a few policemen. I do know enough to tell you that factually, Winsboro is not a war zone. I do know enough that fighting a war in Afghanistan is completely different than enforcing the law in Winsboro. The mindset of those combating enemy combatants and those enforcing the law on citizens should be completely different. If not, you and I have a different interpretation of the protections afforded citizens by our Constitutiom.

Paragraph 2: you are simply wrong. Military tactics are used multiple time daily in America in drug busts. It is done right herein Lincoln Parish. It is not an extreme example. It is becoming the norm.

Paragraph 3: Onnce again, the police are not a militia, iceberg or no.

Paragraph 4: You are comparing Afghanistan to south Monroe when you say south Monroe is a war zone. I'm contrasting the two, not comparing. A crime scene is not a war zone.

Certain parts of this country are deadly and dangerous. Are they Afghanistan? No, but they sure as hell ain't Mayberry either. I oppose certain uses of military tactics. I believe in checks and balances. You haven't defined what military tactics are so I have a tough time defending such a generalized statement. I know all about LPSO Narcotics and I know that they do a lot of volume. How do you expect to serve a warrant on an armed criminal that is peddling dangerous chemicals to children on the street? Are they going to answer the door and come willingly? When I did house searches for guys on parole that were accused of murder or shooting a pregnant woman at the bar, am I supposed to be grateful that citizens felt that paramilitary training like searching a house or PPCT were too much for a local yocal like myself to learn?

[DevilDawg31]

Law Enforcement is for Law Enforcement but taking away things that would help in dire situations like Chicago now and Ferguson last year is tomfoolery

You're really going to tell me that law enforcement in Chicago and Ferguson need .50 cal weapons, weaponized aircraft and vehicles, armed tracked vehicles, bayonets, and camouflage? Please give me an example of a dire situation in which these items were needed?

[Soonerdawg]

But it will have to be and I'm fine with that now days. How will you control local uprising, by any number of population and ethnic groups, without it?

Im not willing to give up my Constitutuonal rights to prepare for your hypothetical uprising. The police are law enforcement. As a group, that is all they should be allowed to do. They should know and respect our rights. They should use the minimum force necessary to enforce the law. They should not adopt military, overwhelming force tactics.

Now, a policeman can join a militia or national guard. His role changes at that point.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

You're really going to tell me that law enforcement in Chicago and Ferguson need .50 cal weapons, weaponized aircraft and vehicles, armed tracked vehicles, bayonets, and camouflage? Please give me an example of a dire situation in which these items were needed?

Hasn't happened yet but it easily could with our race baiting ADM in DC that refuse to calm the situations down and stand by our police forces across the nation. BTW, I don't remember Obama, Rev Jackson or Al Sharpton saying anything about the pregnant white mother of the preacher (Amanda Blackburn) in Indianapolis killed last week by those black men. Do you?

[KSDAWG]

I misinterpreted your last statement, and I apologize for saying you're suggesting fascism. It was my mistake, but I disagree with your argument that the American people won't stand up to the government.

Local law enforcement is not our first defense against federal government, and using that argument to get weapons you don't need to stop crime is wrong. Also, the percentage of the population that is involved with the "Black Lives Matter" movement and others of the like is very much in the minority. There will always be people that make a big splash in the news, but they don't necessarily represent the majority. The idea that people won't stand up to the government so we need to arm our local police force to the max, simply isn't reasonable. Local law enforcement is not exempt from the possibility of corruption either.

I acknowledge you aren't fascist, and I understand your lack of faith in the American people. But I have a lack of faith in the military tactics in which our police force feels is necessary to use on civilians.

I am not exempting local government from corruption, however its far easier to root out at the local level than the federal. See FBI,IRS and ATF. The weapons are resources that are surplus that local police don't have to buy but would if they weren't getting it for free. The Transport vehicles that are being taken back serve a purpose not as much for drug bust but riot control. I am not saying that local law enforcement is a complete stop gap for a lacking civilian populous, but it is a plus to have the resources. And again I ask you to define military tactics.

[KSDAWG]

I all my years around police departments from local to state, I have never seen a department with a .50 caliber, bayonets or militarized air crafts. Never. And Cammo doesn't help with anything except for uniforms used in training. Most SWAT teams prefer black.

[KSDAWG]

You're really going to tell me that law enforcement in Chicago and Ferguson need .50 cal weapons, weaponized aircraft and vehicles, armed tracked vehicles, bayonets, and camouflage? Please give me an example of a dire situation in which these items were needed?

I am sorry, I did not intend to give you red, could an admin please correct?

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Im not willing to give up my Constitutuonal rights to prepare for your hypothetical uprising. The police are law enforcement. As a group, that is all they should be allowed to do. They should know and respect our rights. They should use the minimum force necessary to enforce the law. They should not adopt military, overwhelming force tactics.

Now, a policeman can join a militia or national guard. His role changes at that point.

Hypothetical?? Really? A large one hasn't happened yet but it easily could with our race baiting ADM in DC that refuse to calm the situations down and stand by our police forces across the nation. BTW, I don't remember Obama, Rev Jackson or Al Sharpton saying anything about the pregnant white mother of the preacher (Amanda Blackburn) in Indianapolis raped and killed last week by the two black men. Do you? Obama nor Hillary care nothing about black on black nor black on white murders. They say absolutely nothing about these. Just like they can't use the words "radical Islam". They are afraid to mention the words or say black on black or black on white crime and murder and probably get the shakes as the truth scares liberals almost to death!

Oh and most of our police force are ex-military anyway!!!

News for Larry Jo Taylor, 18,

ABC News

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[Soonerdawg]

Exactly!! Which is why I posted this thread in the first place. Obama leanings and moves are never good for America or Americans I'm afraid. Obama and Hillary have a totally different agenda and it will circumnavigate the US Constitution if possible.

What used to be called the militia is now called the National Guard.

Tyler, I do not doubt that Obama made this move for evil. It still doesn't make militarization of law enforcement right.

[KSDAWG]

What used to be called the militia is now called the National Guard.

The National Guard is under the orders of the President and the US Military. Kind a defeats the purpose doesn't it.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

I all my years around police departments from local to state, I have never seen a department with a .50 caliber, bayonets or militarized air crafts. Never. And Cammo doesn't help with anything except for uniforms used in training. Most SWAT teams prefer black.

Even if they had these, a high percentage of our police forces are ex-military anyway. I have no problem with them having even these as long as they are trained and up to speed with the correct tactics to use.

[DevilDawg31]

I all my years around police departments from local to state, I have never seen a department with a .50 caliber, bayonets or militarized air crafts. Never. And Cammo doesn't help with anything except for uniforms used in training. Most SWAT teams prefer black.

Those items are what the Fox News article stated were being taken back by the federal government. This is why I am confused as to why the local police force is upset. If there is another link showing that the local police force is having their body armor, assault weapons, and armored vehicles that are not tracked taken away, please show me that link. But the prohibited items listed in the article are armored TRACKED vehicles, weaponized aircraft and vehicles, .50 caliber weapons and ammo, bayonets, and camouflage.

[KSDAWG]

Im not willing to give up my Constitutuonal rights to prepare for your hypothetical uprising. The police are law enforcement. As a group, that is all they should be allowed to do. They should know and respect our rights. They should use the minimum force necessary to enforce the law. They should not adopt military, overwhelming force tactics.

Now, a policeman can join a militia or national guard. His role changes at that point.

1. No one is asking you to give up your Constitutional Rights
2. Law Enforcement is only allowed to uphold the law and its always been that way
3. Law Enforcement uses the minimum force necessary, and sometimes it take more force than obviously your little heart is comfortable with.
4. Still haven't defined "Military Style tactics" Must be your buzzword for the day, like Assault Rifle or Black Lives Matter

[TYLERTECHSAS]

The National Guard is under the orders of the President and the US Military. Kind a defeats the purpose doesn't it.

Exactly! Again, American civilians first line of true defense against an outside force (out of control Feds, Radical muslims or local Riots) is our local county/parish Sheriff and his police force, then our city police force and then ourselves.